1076 - Failure to Extract.

[John3200]

I picked up a 1076 from a dealer off of Gun Broker last week. Got it home and gave it a good cleaning. This afternoon I took it out and gave it a try. First magazine, Blazer 170gr, one falure to extract. Second magazine, Winchester 175gr Silvertip, 2 failures to extract. It appears to me as if the empty case was pulled out about 1/4 of the way and then the extracter just let loose of it. The brass of a non-extracted case looks fine, maybe scratched a little bit along the rim but nothing harsh.

Any ideas? Everything looks ok to me. Is there something common with these big Smiths that I can do? New extractor or something?

 

[Shadow1006]

Maybe extractor spring is weak? One other thing to consider is some people have slid cartridges into the champer and the let the slide close on the cartridge, this cause stress on the extractors and springs...Therefore the extractor could be damaged or bent. You might give S&W a call for a fix!

It is better to let the cartridges feed from a magazine as intended, then you can remove the magazine and top it off.

Good luck getting things fixed!

 

[jerseyshoreshot]

I agree that it could be the extractor spring. I had the exact same problem with mine and sent it to Smith & Wesson for repair. They replaced the spring and I had it back 9 days later. It runs great now. If I remember correctly, they told me that there was a spot in the extractor for a second spring, which they installed.

 

[John3200]

I agree that it could be the extractor spring. I had the exact same problem with mine and sent it to Smith & Wesson for repair. They replaced the spring and I had it back 9 days later. It runs great now. If I remember correctly, they told me that there was a spot in the extractor for a second spring, which they installed.

About what was the total cost of sending your Smith in for this repair?

 

[surfgun]

I sent a used 645 to S&W for a new extractor, as I recall it cost me about $100. The factory fitted an extractor, and billed me for 100 rounds of ammo that they put through it to verify proper function. Runs like a top now.

 

[Fastbolt]

Probably easiest to let the company examine it and make any necessary repairs.

If the extractor hook isn't chipped or broken, it might be an extractor spring that's reached the useful end of its service life. If the extractor is damaged, it'll have to be replaced, and it's a fitted part, which means it typically requires filing of the adjustment pad behind the hook, and the use of a factory Go/No-Go bar gauge to check for proper fit in each slide.

The extractor spring tension for the 10/.40 guns has a recommended normal range of 5-8 lbs (which is checked with a force dial gauge), although sometimes a particular gun might require something different, being carefully checked by the technician (or armorer) for actual function in live-fire (as well as passing the "bench checks"), and there are optional repair springs available to get the guns running as intended. Sometimes an older production gun might require a bit more attention in fitting, due to the different tolerances resulting from more hand-controlled manufacturing than more recent CNC methods.

 

[John3200]

I ordered a new extractor spring from Wolff and put it in myself. First couple of mags look good so far. Positive extraction and the empties fly to a consistant spot.

 

[growr]

Probably easiest to let the company examine it and make any necessary repairs.

If the extractor hook isn't chipped or broken, it might be an extractor spring that's reached the useful end of its service life. If the extractor is damaged, it'll have to be replaced, and it's a fitted part, which means it typically requires filing of the adjustment pad behind the hook, and the use of a factory Go/No-Go bar gauge to check for proper fit in each slide.

The extractor spring tension for the 10/.40 guns has a recommended normal range of 5-8 lbs (which is checked with a force dial gauge), although sometimes a particular gun might require something different, being carefully checked by the technician (or armorer) for actual function in live-fire (as well as passing the "bench checks"), and there are optional repair springs available to get the guns running as intended. Sometimes an older production gun might require a bit more attention in fitting, due to the different tolerances resulting from more hand-controlled manufacturing than more recent CNC methods.

Take it from the Master (Fastbolt) if HE says let S&W take care of it....let S&W take care of it as it is a 3rd gen. gun with a lifetime warranty.

Randy

 

[Malpasowildlifer]

Thanks all. Back home for Christmas and my FFL/'smith looked at it. He said the extractor was slightly bent and corrected it. It's not doing it now; I'll run some rounds through it when I get back.

I guess I should still send it to S&W to get all the springs replaced and checked, as I'd like to use it for off duty carry.

 

[XTrooper]

My Kentucky State Police Contract 1076 had a failure to extract problem when I first got it. I sent it off to S&W for a new extractor and extractor spring and I never had another minute's trouble with it. Because it was a service pistol, the lifetime warranty didn't apply, but the work cost me less than $80 and was money well spent.

 

[John3200]

Well, nope, problem not fixed by new extractor spring. Shot 2 more magazines of Winchester 175gr silver tip yesterday and I had a fte once each magazine. Looks like I'll be sending if off to S&W sometime soon.

 

[Fastbolt]

I prefer to stay with the factory extractor springs for the 3rd gen guns, and even then, you won't know whether the 'standard' spring for the 1076 will provide the recommended tension in your gun unless you use the force dial gauge to check the tension. Ditto any optional springs.

Then live-fire testing is needed to confirm that the tension doesn't introduce any feeding (too heavy) or extraction (too light) problems in any particular gun.

A damaged or weakened recoil spring can also be the cause of failures-to-extract (double feeds), and can introduce yet another variable that might cloud the whole issue.

Let someone who understands the guns and has experience diagnosing & repairing them figure it out for you. It can become frustrating, and a waste of ammunition & money, to pursue the trial & error method, hoping for some correction to take place.

 

[John3200]

A quick update. I called S&W customer service and told them the issue I was having with my 1076. They emailed me a prepaid FedEx mailing lable. I boxed my gun up and handed it off to FedEx on Monday, Jan 9th. S&W received it Wednesday the 11th.

I received my 1076 back from S&W on this last Thursday, Jan 19th. Wow, 10 days from door to door. I was really impressed. The gun actually beat the "we recieved your gun" letter back from S&W. One small issue, I'd sent in 2 magazines as instructed and only received 1 back. A quick call back to customer service and they have 1 on the way.

Yesterday I put 2 magazines of 10mm through it and so far so good. I need to put more rounds through it to verify it's working properly but I am very impressed with Smith and Wesson's customer service.

Awesome!!!

 

[Fastbolt]

Glad to hear it.

Not surprised, though.

 

[629shooter]

Excellent, I've always been satisfied with S&W's customer service.

 

[Denver Dick]

Yep, that about sums up my experience with S&W regarding the three pistols I've sent in over the last 4 1/2 years.