OK, so I'm thinking that I need a 10mm. I'm a big fan of the 1911 platform, but I'm open to others. What do you guys say?
Okie John
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Well you can buy an excellent S&W 1006 for around $600. It's as good or better than a 1911 in 10mm. I have seen used 1911's a little cheaper than what they sell for new. If you just need a 10mm and are open minded a 610 revolver will fire both 40's and 10's.
Big Cholla
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I have and shoot a Colt Delta Elite in 10mm. I also shoot a SIG 220 in .45acp and a EAA Tanfoglio in .40s&w. Given the very abrupt recoil characteristics of the 10mm, IMHO you will be more satisfied with the 10mm in the S&W or the EAA Tanfoglio or the CZ 75. The round is a .40s&w on steroids and is hard on the handgun and your hand. I really like the 10mm, it just needs some thought as to what handgun you want to shoot it thru. I was a pistolsmith for years building whatever on a Colt 1911 frame. IMHO, this round is a bit much for a lot of shooting thru the 1911 system. If you want to 'carry a lot and shoot a little' then by all means find a 10mm in the 1911 frame. My 'shoot alot' 10mm is a S&W Model 610. ..... Big Cholla
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Sir.
I went thru the 'I want a 10mm" phase a couple years back. I looked at Kimber 1911 frames, Glocks, S&W's, an AR platform rifle, 610 S&W. I considered a lot of them. With an auto you will change recoil springs often and chase empty brass all over. With a revolver you can control empty brass.
I got my 4 inch and 6 inch Model 57 .41 Magnums out of the gunsafe and said ,"Why would I want a lighter slower bullet.
I put the 10mm thought out of my head and use the .41's when I have an urge to shoot big fast bullets.
Bill@Yuma
I went thru the 'I want a 10mm" phase a couple years back. I looked at Kimber 1911 frames, Glocks, S&W's, an AR platform rifle, 610 S&W. I considered a lot of them. With an auto you will change recoil springs often and chase empty brass all over. With a revolver you can control empty brass.
I got my 4 inch and 6 inch Model 57 .41 Magnums out of the gunsafe and said ,"Why would I want a lighter slower bullet.
I put the 10mm thought out of my head and use the .41's when I have an urge to shoot big fast bullets.
Bill@Yuma
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A full-power 10 is a bear in a standard-pattern 1911. I agree it is a LOT more pleasant in a 1006. The problem (if you call it that) with the 1006 is that it is heavy. That's only a problem if the gun is on your belt. Otherwise, it's pretty nice. 
Another alternative is the Glock, but they don't lend themselves to precision shooting - at least, for me. I tried to talk myself into a Glock 10 several times. Never succeeded.
I agree with the idea that if you buy/build yourself a 10 on a 1911 frame, it is going to suffer if shot a lot with full-charge ammo (200 at 1100-1200 FPS). To mitigate that, you can download the 10 to 40S&W ballistics. You're thinking, "What sense does that make?" Well, probably not much, except that you will be operating at a lot less pressure than the 40, and the recoil will be similar to a light-bullet .45 load (180 at 950-975 FPS). Nice for the kind of indoor shooting I do these days.
Someday I will put a good barrel in my Delta 10 and return to tinkering with it with slightly reduced loads using 180-grain lead bullets. There's no reason for it, except that I do already have the gun, brass, and a good bullet mold. Just something else to shoot.
Another alternative is the Glock, but they don't lend themselves to precision shooting - at least, for me. I tried to talk myself into a Glock 10 several times. Never succeeded.
I agree with the idea that if you buy/build yourself a 10 on a 1911 frame, it is going to suffer if shot a lot with full-charge ammo (200 at 1100-1200 FPS). To mitigate that, you can download the 10 to 40S&W ballistics. You're thinking, "What sense does that make?" Well, probably not much, except that you will be operating at a lot less pressure than the 40, and the recoil will be similar to a light-bullet .45 load (180 at 950-975 FPS). Nice for the kind of indoor shooting I do these days.
Someday I will put a good barrel in my Delta 10 and return to tinkering with it with slightly reduced loads using 180-grain lead bullets. There's no reason for it, except that I do already have the gun, brass, and a good bullet mold. Just something else to shoot.
FirebirdV8
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I really like 10mm, however, if you don't reload, ammo will get very expensive, if you can find it at all. Overall, a good 10mm round is between a 357 mag and 41 mag in power, but in a semi-auto. I do reload light plinking rounds as well, since as already mentioned, full power 10mm will send your brass all over the place.
To me 10mm is worth all of its minor inconviences, but that is a decision each person will make for themselves.
To me 10mm is worth all of its minor inconviences, but that is a decision each person will make for themselves.
SWID
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I like the 10 because you can do a lot with it and it's not a short little case that you have to worry about seating depth to a .001 of an inch. (Not that you can be sloppy, but I always get nervous when loading for my HiPower.)
I have a Kimber, which is a 1911 built for a 10, I have a 1076 and 1006, a Delta Elite (old one) and a EAA Witness. I shoot hot stuff in the Kimber and the Smiths, target loads in the other two. I got the Witness because it's supposed to be a match gun and it was only $450.00 or so. I tried one of my 180 grain 1300 fps loads in it and it threw the case into Oregon. So no more of that.
Anyway I think it's a real fun cartridge to load for, but if you're not a reloader I wouldn't do it, ammo is scarce and pricey.
Actually the 10 is not the .40 on striods, the .40 is the 10 made for sissies. (The ten came first, and S&W developed the .40 Slow and Weak after the FBI and others complained about recoil and the size of the gun.)
I have a Kimber, which is a 1911 built for a 10, I have a 1076 and 1006, a Delta Elite (old one) and a EAA Witness. I shoot hot stuff in the Kimber and the Smiths, target loads in the other two. I got the Witness because it's supposed to be a match gun and it was only $450.00 or so. I tried one of my 180 grain 1300 fps loads in it and it threw the case into Oregon. So no more of that.
Anyway I think it's a real fun cartridge to load for, but if you're not a reloader I wouldn't do it, ammo is scarce and pricey.
Actually the 10 is not the .40 on striods, the .40 is the 10 made for sissies. (The ten came first, and S&W developed the .40 Slow and Weak after the FBI and others complained about recoil and the size of the gun.)
Joni_Lynn
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I got a sales flyer from Cabela's and the have a DW 10mm 1911 on sale. I prefer my 1911's in 45 but the 10mm should be a good one in a DW.
ok ya'll are gonna hate this ...but don't knock me till you test it
I too got on a 10mm kick a few years ago and bought a Smith and a Colt Delta(still have it) the Smith was nice but I like the 1911s better ,I shot the Colt -hated it recoil was stout and the gun was ugh well lets just say it took me some time to HIT the target,ok you guessed it I sucked 25 ft and I wasnt even on paper.
I finally worked with some loads and got it decent.
WELL along comes my buddy that had a Glock 20 in 10mm and was needing some cash,I took the bait and bought it ...LOVE IT
I'm not a huge Glock fan but the 20s need a little more credit,over the Colt its half the price and recoil is ALOT less and the 20 I have is VERY accurate...I shoot mine at 50 yards all the time and its a blast to shoot 100 yrd poppers.
so check out Glock in 10 mm
Jason
I too got on a 10mm kick a few years ago and bought a Smith and a Colt Delta(still have it) the Smith was nice but I like the 1911s better ,I shot the Colt -hated it recoil was stout and the gun was ugh well lets just say it took me some time to HIT the target,ok you guessed it I sucked 25 ft and I wasnt even on paper.
I finally worked with some loads and got it decent.
WELL along comes my buddy that had a Glock 20 in 10mm and was needing some cash,I took the bait and bought it ...LOVE IT
I'm not a huge Glock fan but the 20s need a little more credit,over the Colt its half the price and recoil is ALOT less and the 20 I have is VERY accurate...I shoot mine at 50 yards all the time and its a blast to shoot 100 yrd poppers.
so check out Glock in 10 mm
Jason
oldRoger
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The only drawback to 10 mm shooting that I know about is chasing brass
My 10mm collection is close to that of SWID I have a 1006, 1076, and a Kimber Custom Target (1911 frame). The Kimber is fun to shoot, but I am uneasy about its ability to hold together over the long haul of full power 10mm shooting so I use it sparingly. Full power is considered to be 200grain @ 1200fps.
If you want to carry a 10, find a 1076.
For the woods, my 1006 with adjustable sights is great.
I reload it's the only way to go, 10mm commercial is expensive and hard to find.
My 10mm collection is close to that of SWID I have a 1006, 1076, and a Kimber Custom Target (1911 frame). The Kimber is fun to shoot, but I am uneasy about its ability to hold together over the long haul of full power 10mm shooting so I use it sparingly. Full power is considered to be 200grain @ 1200fps.
If you want to carry a 10, find a 1076.
For the woods, my 1006 with adjustable sights is great.
I reload it's the only way to go, 10mm commercial is expensive and hard to find.
m657
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I shoot 10mm and never chase brass....and I shoot 40 S&W in the same gun. Same deal, no brass chasing, marvelous platform, perfect for carry, is one of my 2 favorite REVOLVERS....yes, a 3 7/8" m610.
40 is so-so for pins but full house 10mm really does the trick.
Of course, 41 mag & 45 acp is even better on pins....
but for such as speed steel the m610 merits a close look.
40 is so-so for pins but full house 10mm really does the trick.
Of course, 41 mag & 45 acp is even better on pins....
but for such as speed steel the m610 merits a close look.
BUFF
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The 10mm Auto is 2 different cartridges. You have the original, hot stuff (the original Norma had 200 grainers at 1,200 fps), and then the reduced stuff inspired by the FBI 10mm, a 185 grainer at 950 fps, that inspired the .40 S&W.
The full power ammo is seldom encountered these days. I don't see any advantage to carrying a 10mm pistol loaded with the reduced power ammo, you don't get any increase in power over a .45, in a bigger heavier gun that holds fewer cartridges than a smaller, lighter pistol chambered for the .40 S&W.
The full power 10mm is a long ways from a full power .41 Magnum. Don't let people tell you otherwise.
It's a neat cartridge, but it's a niche cartridge.
I bought a Colt Delta Elite when the gun and cartridge was introduced. I put more than one case of the Norma stuff through it. I found that the S&W M-1006 was a much more comfortable gun to shoot with the same ammo. I think it is because the S&W design has a grip and backstrap that is one piece, while the 1911 has a grip and backstrap made of several components with multiple edges, harder on your hand with ammo that kicks at all.
The Colt is gone. I prefer the 1911 design in .45. I still have the M-1006m which was joined by a 1076, a 1086 and a 610.
The full power ammo is seldom encountered these days. I don't see any advantage to carrying a 10mm pistol loaded with the reduced power ammo, you don't get any increase in power over a .45, in a bigger heavier gun that holds fewer cartridges than a smaller, lighter pistol chambered for the .40 S&W.
The full power 10mm is a long ways from a full power .41 Magnum. Don't let people tell you otherwise.
It's a neat cartridge, but it's a niche cartridge.
I bought a Colt Delta Elite when the gun and cartridge was introduced. I put more than one case of the Norma stuff through it. I found that the S&W M-1006 was a much more comfortable gun to shoot with the same ammo. I think it is because the S&W design has a grip and backstrap that is one piece, while the 1911 has a grip and backstrap made of several components with multiple edges, harder on your hand with ammo that kicks at all.
The Colt is gone. I prefer the 1911 design in .45. I still have the M-1006m which was joined by a 1076, a 1086 and a 610.
All of Dan Wesson 1911's are superb. Their 10MM guns are easy to shoot. Not bad at all.
Sum Dum Guy Up North---A New Dish?????
Wow!! Excellent--chisel it in stone....Mine has seen some changes (not expensive), and it shoots like a match handgun. It also is capable of handling some punishing loads with ease. Yes, I've eaten a spring until I wised-up and put a full-length rod in it. My Wilson Combat was OK, but was sensitive. My DW in 10MM (Commander) is a nasty little brute. I'll be glad to tell what mine has undergone as far as changes and as far as loads and accuracy. Just send a PM or choose this post as "not a .44 Mag." and move on. I love my Smiths and all due respect, Love my 10MM in 1911 (Dan Wesson Flavor). I've posted pics. before on this little beast. Look if you like. Oh, The Glock 20 is a fine handgun if you plan to stay with-in factory specs. I loved mine 'til a friend begged it out of me..actually offered it in a bud's trade as he wanted a second 10MM Glock and I have my Dan Wesson Commander 10MM. Good luck and great shooting..............Sprefix
Wow!! Excellent--chisel it in stone....Mine has seen some changes (not expensive), and it shoots like a match handgun. It also is capable of handling some punishing loads with ease. Yes, I've eaten a spring until I wised-up and put a full-length rod in it. My Wilson Combat was OK, but was sensitive. My DW in 10MM (Commander) is a nasty little brute. I'll be glad to tell what mine has undergone as far as changes and as far as loads and accuracy. Just send a PM or choose this post as "not a .44 Mag." and move on. I love my Smiths and all due respect, Love my 10MM in 1911 (Dan Wesson Flavor). I've posted pics. before on this little beast. Look if you like. Oh, The Glock 20 is a fine handgun if you plan to stay with-in factory specs. I loved mine 'til a friend begged it out of me..actually offered it in a bud's trade as he wanted a second 10MM Glock and I have my Dan Wesson Commander 10MM. Good luck and great shooting..............Sprefix
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Pair of 10's.
Dan Wesson Razorbacks.
Govt Model and CCO
I carry and shoot them a lot. They are my "winter" guns.
A 200 grainer in a 10 is doing at 100 yards what a 230 grain .45 is doing at the muzzle.
Now I ain't knockin' .45s, I've got them too, but for a hard hitting, flat shooting round in an pistol, the 10 is a good choice.
Dan Wesson Razorbacks.
Govt Model and CCO
I carry and shoot them a lot. They are my "winter" guns.
A 200 grainer in a 10 is doing at 100 yards what a 230 grain .45 is doing at the muzzle.
Now I ain't knockin' .45s, I've got them too, but for a hard hitting, flat shooting round in an pistol, the 10 is a good choice.
Is the gun you are referring to listed at $1270? Just curious. That is the only DW I see at Cabela's, but I am not the slickest at finding things on the computer.
SWID
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About that "chasing brass" thing. I pretty much avoided semiautos as much as possible for that very reason. (Plus revolvers just have nicer triggers unless you're rich, which I'm not) Any way when I wanted to try out the 10 I bought a painter's drop cloth, about $20.00. Now I just pick up each corner and all the brass is in a nice little pile in the middle.
As I mentioned my first Norma type load in my EAA missed the cloth, but other than that all my hand guns, plus the Garands hit it. It took a bit of trial and error to get it right but I love it.
As I mentioned my first Norma type load in my EAA missed the cloth, but other than that all my hand guns, plus the Garands hit it. It took a bit of trial and error to get it right but I love it.
TXSWFAN
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I have a 1006 and a glock. The 1006 is a little bulky feeling. I love the glock 20's. I read a comment about the accuracy, you can always get a lone wolf barrel for about a cnote and vastly improve accuracy of that gun, especially on heavier loads...
The new C versions help with recoil too, l/w makes a barrel for that too...
The new C versions help with recoil too, l/w makes a barrel for that too...
