In your post that I replied to, you neither quoted nor referenced a specific post so the glaring assumption was "it" meant the OP's topic.
12 O’clock high a Quinn Martin production
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In your post that I replied to, you neither quoted nor referenced a specific post so the glaring assumption was "it" meant the OP's topic.
I don’t recall answering your question but rather that of “rockquarry”…
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Most of the Quinn Martin-produced 1 hour-long TV series were like that, Act I-IV. He also did one called The FBI that was similar in format.
I like the film version of Twelve O'Clock High better than the TV series, but the series was good, had a lot of actual war footage in it, and I still watch it on Sling or Hulu, I forget which one shows it.
I also watched Combat and The Rat Patrol as a kid, but I never could figure out why they'd let the German commander go every time they captured him, and why they didn't shoot him outright after the second or third time. If you aren't aware, Hans Gudecast, who played the German commander Hans Dietrich in the series, is the same guy who played Victor Newman in The Young and Restless soap opera, under the name Eric Braeden. I never could see The Rat Patrol after learning that without thinking they were chasing a soap opera star around the desert.
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I haven' t looked up any statistics and probably won't, but The Fugitive was done in the Quinn Martin style of cleverly using "four acts and an epilogue" ending. I would guess The Fugitive was easily the most popular of the Quinn Martin shows. It deserved to be. Many, maybe most of these episodes remain worth watching today, but I think I've seen them all and won't be doing it again. As expected, the best in guest stars.
Think Burt Reynolds was a crewman in some episodes
Gamecock's father was a B-24 pilot. The B-24 was a better plane than the B-17. Higher payload, higher speed, higher range.
So why did the B-17 get all the press?
Gamecock's Dad said it was . . . gas rationing.
US air bases in England originated around London. As more were built, they radiated out from London. When the B-24 came along, they were stationed at more remote - from London - bases. Press people with cameras were limited in their travel by gas rationing. As B-17 bases were closer to London, that's where they went.
So why did the B-17 get all the press?
Gamecock's Dad said it was . . . gas rationing.
US air bases in England originated around London. As more were built, they radiated out from London. When the B-24 came along, they were stationed at more remote - from London - bases. Press people with cameras were limited in their travel by gas rationing. As B-17 bases were closer to London, that's where they went.
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Just look at them. The B24 had a boxy look and the twin tail fins made it look like the engineers just couldn't decide what to do. The B17 had that sleek, sexy look that just screamed "American made". Of course the B24 was a more efficient plane and could carry a bigger load at a higher altitude. It ended up being the most produced bomber.
For those interested, here's a good, short article comparing them.
B-17 vs B-24
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It didn't fly nearly as high as the B-17, but hardly an arguing point except for the hard core. The B17 was the first heavy bomber the US used in earliest raids in August 1942 to bomb French targets from the first US base in England: Polebrook. These crews were the first sent to North Africa in Nov. 1942 because they were the most experienced.
B17s were already firmly entrenched in air warfare when the B24 came along and the B17 had the reputation, not to mention looks. Certainly, looks were worth something....
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I have been watching some of the episodes on YouTube lately. One featured Andrew Prine along with Bruce Dern and Burt Reynolds. It is like many shows from the early 60's, you see a lot of up and coming movie and TV personalities as guest stars.
For some reason, many of the B&W episodes are poor quality, like they used old VHS tapes to upload to YouTube (probably did). Others are good quality along with the later color episodes. For the most part they are enjoyable.
My dad was a Navigator on a B-24 with the 15th AF stationed in Italy. He thought he would have a nice Quonset hut barracks, officers club and weekend passes to London to meet lonely British women when he wasn't flying like the guys with the 8th AF who were stationed in England did.
Nope. The bases in Italy were new and hastily constructed. He lived in a three man tent with an oil fired heater on a muddy field during one of the worst winters of the 20th Century. Powdered eggs and S.O.S. were the typical breakfast unless a local farmer could spare some real eggs.
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Seems like Burt Reynolds played a black marketeer or simlar crook in at least one episode.
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That's a brain fart. I should have said "father".
Rat Patrol however did have a great theme song.
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No one really watched Rat Patrol, did they?
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The B-17 got more attention because it made up the majority of the bombers in the 8th Air Force. The Mighty 8th consisted of three Air Divisions, two of which (1st and 3rd) were equipped with B-17’s. 2nd Air Division had the B-24’s, one of them flown by Jimmy Stewart. The 15th Air Force in Italy had a larger percentage of B-24’s, but units in the Mediterranean Theatre of Operations never got the coverage that those based in England received.
Among the reasons for the B-17’s dominance in the 8th Air Force was the B-24’s longer range. Since the B-24 had greater range it was decided to send the majority of the B-24’s to the Pacific and CBI, while B-17’s went mostly to Europe.
Among the reasons for the B-17’s dominance in the 8th Air Force was the B-24’s longer range. Since the B-24 had greater range it was decided to send the majority of the B-24’s to the Pacific and CBI, while B-17’s went mostly to Europe.
I couldn't do....
I couldn't do Rat Patrol. Now 12:00 High was a different kettle of fish.
Oh, I liked Combat, too. I wasn't too discerning about it. Loved Vic Morrow, though.
I couldn't do Rat Patrol. Now 12:00 High was a different kettle of fish.
Oh, I liked Combat, too. I wasn't too discerning about it. Loved Vic Morrow, though.
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One of those tiny women was my grandmother. She was a wiring inspector at Willow Run. My grandfather was in N. Africa and Europe. My mother was living with her grandmother.
Quinn Martin Productions seemed to use some of the harder working Hollywood types such as David Jannsen, Buddy Ebsen, William Conrad and Karl Malden along with a slew of familiar faced guest stars. I'd watch Cannon with my Dad, the Fugitive stopped when I was seven, never bothered to catch reruns.
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gla this thread came up. have not seen the 1949 movie 12 O'Clock high in decades .watched half of it last night after work on you tube .will finish it tonight .great movie..will check out the tv version soon
My dream mancave is a Quonset hut in the style of the "O" club on 12:00 High, complete with the Robin Hood mug that gets turned around when missions are on, shutting down the bar.
I prefer Combat! over 12:00 High. The guys who played "Doc" and Kirby are the only remaining actors alive. I think the storylines were better. Both were well worth watching.
I prefer Combat! over 12:00 High. The guys who played "Doc" and Kirby are the only remaining actors alive. I think the storylines were better. Both were well worth watching.
