15-22 For Self Defense

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The data after this line is critically important for those who would consider choosing the 15-22 as a defensive weapon over more capable calibers:
Some people will look at this data and say "He's telling us all to carry .22s". That's not true.

Also, please note I said "over other more capable calibers". Obviously, if a .22 is all you have, use it.
 
I would not want to get shot with a .22( especially out of a rifle barrel), they kill people, its a slug of lead....... Having said that, I would much rather have a .357/.45 or 12 loaded with 00 Buck if I could choose........

Speaking of .22's, a friend has a Class 3 registered American Arms 180 with 275 rd drums. Most impressive .22 I have ever seen and the cyclic rate is around 1200 rds per minute I think.....
 
agreed...if my 15-22 or my Remington .22 bolt are all thats available beats throwing rocks...but if i have my choice i will take my USP .40 with Hornady Critical Defense rounds OR the good old Savage Model 24 .410 with #6 birdshot

the point everyone has made...will a .22 be better than nothing>? yes obviously....is it a "go to" caliber>? nope
 
actually what makes me smile is the similarity these numbers provide for the .40S&W and the .45ACP. don't get me wrong i love the .45 and shoot it out of my 1911 on occasion, but i really like .40S&W. when they first marketed it the tag line was "the power of a .45 with the magazine capacity of a 9"...heh don't know if that's entirely true but i've been hooked on the .40 ever since. it's a great round.
 
actually what makes me smile is the similarity these numbers provide for the .40S&W and the .45ACP. don't get me wrong i love the .45 and shoot it out of my 1911 on occasion, but i really like .40S&W. when they first marketed it the tag line was "the power of a .45 with the magazine capacity of a 9"...heh don't know if that's entirely true but i've been hooked on the .40 ever since. it's a great round.

my dad and I have had several discussions regarding the .40 SW cartridge...he is a tried and true 9mm man and i have only recently bought a pistol after owning several rifles in various calibers

I admit .40 wasnt initially my first choice--I stumbled upon 'smoking hot deal' on a Glock 22 ( former Detroit PD patrol pistol even) for $275--and initially intended to keep it until i could afford a Kimber .45 1911

several hundred rounds later in various bullet configurations and weights I honestly do not know what the hype about .45 is all about! I bought my 'carry' pistol in .40 ( HK USP Compact) and have no intention of looking back...
 
Don't asked the assasin's if a .22 is not a good caliber. During my training in Stockton Cal. back in 1996, A swat trainer, that started the SWAT unit in LA, told me, and I will always remember it, "It's not about caliber, it's placement, placement, placement, don't forget that". I haven't. Again depending on the duty at hand, a 22 cal. is deadly make no mistake. Now would you take one out on patrol as a primary, NO, backup maybe. The 22lr has it's place in shooting, plinking, covert and training. It is to me a very multi purpose caliber that I respect the hell out of. If I had my M&P with 10 rds in my bed room at night and someone came in, I would feel just fine using it knowing that I would put all 10 rounds in a 1" hole without worries.. So don't knock it off your list of calibers.. Good Shooting..
 
In my opinion as a home defense weapon, use what you're comfortable with. A 15-22 is enough to ruin an attacker's day. It's about staying alive or protecting someone you love. It is NOT about killing.
 
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I can tell you this....in my time with the FD, the .22 round was one of the most used in murders....we went to more shooting calls involving a .22 round than most any other...don't know if it was the "cheap and available" thing or what, but many a person has fallen to it.
 
Just suppose for a moment that the economy totally tanks, world wide.

Really, REALLY bad times set in, currency no longer has anyvalue, the Government is no longer sending out any entitlement/benfit checks, fuel is unobtainable and there is no more food showing up at the local super market.

You can buy a brick (500+) rounds for abouyt $20.00 right now.

Getring shot in a post societal collapse wil have a whole new meaning when there is no available medical care. An easily healed wound would probably be fatal in that situation.

I have an M&P 15-22 and I just got an M&P 22 and I got them because in that situation, they would be pretty valuable and effective.

I have other larger caliber and much more appropiate defense guns but none of them shoot 5,000 rounds of ammo for under $200.00
 
I hope that scenario never happens, but I do see your point. For me the 22lr and the M&P is a great "training" aid for my AR platform. Keeps me in the ready zone without breaking my bank account. I've stocked up on 5.56, 40 cal., 9mm & 45 cal. Just purchased 4 bricks of CCI mag, 1 brick of Winchester 550, and I have a brick of the Remington (haven't used this yet, they say it is ****). Anything that keeps my edge and saves me dollars works fine for me..
 
Empty the 10 rounds into the per, and then beat him to death with the rifle.;)

.22 are killers, in the right hands, with a perfect shot placement. But they have no frontal stopping power. A golf club is a better defensive weapon. (Tiger's wife almost finished him off with one!):rolleyes:
 
Without a lot of validation of the article, the conclusion seen very valid. All my grandkids can or will learn (two under a year old) to shot a .22 rifle and pistol!

Practice for defensive shooting...double tap to the chest and one to the head or two to the head and one to the chest. Osama bin Laden fight or lack of fight is confirmation!

A point of interest. My son inl-aw's father was a coroner for 25 + years in in a large western Colorado county. As he tells it, he has recovered more bodies with .22 caliber fatal shots then any other caliber. And he says, that little wad of lead does some funky damage when it hits a body, e.g. shot though the eye, then just bounces around the inside of the skull scrambling the brain until it runs out of energy or hit a femur then follows the bone and end near the opposite shoulder. All the while Larger calibers leave big straight holes that can be bandaged.

I agree with Budman5 about a .22. I carry .380 ACP, .38/.357/9mm, .44 Mag. and my favorite, the 1911 - 45ACP.

I like the idea of a large gapping hole. unless I'm punching holes in paper or shooting steel. ALL my carry/defense rounds have hollow points or controlled expansion bullets.

To paraphrase Lt Col Jeff Cooper, use a handgun to fight to get to your long gun. That just maybe your 15-22.

Interesting about the rifle and shotgun stats. I would be interested in break down of the rifle cablers too.

The shotgun stats confirmed, what the German's whined about in WWI, when the US solders and marines hit the trenches with their shotguns! Es tut mir leid. Nein! OBTW... the Germans were the first to use chemical weapons in WWI too. ( both my grandfathers were in France during WWI.

So my conclusion is, have plenty of .22 ammunition and load up on #2, BB, and #4 buckshot, OO, and slugs Shot shells, and even some .40 S&W ammo.... for your friends who don't reload! :rolleyes:

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I could screw a bad guy's day up with 25 rounds of .22lr!! haha
Also, .22lr is not that loud compared to other rounds. I can't imagine firing 00buck or my 10.5" SBR inside the house? Everyone would be deaf!

But alas, my night stand guns all run .45 JHP. =P
 
I'd have no issues using a quality firearm chambered in .22lr for self defense.

Granted this video illustrates .22lr CCI Stingers, the cavitation caused by .22lr isn't somthing to discount.

CCI Stinger .22 LR 32 gr Hollowpoint in SIM-TEST* Ballistic Test Media - YouTube

...A swat trainer, that started the SWAT unit in LA, told me, and I will always remember it, "It's not about caliber, it's placement, placement, placement, don't forget that"....

Agreed. .22lr's low recoil makes it very easy for me to place shots quickly and accurately on target.

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^ 15-22, Federal Bulk, 50ft. Rapid fire.

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^Ruger 10/22, 3-9X40 scope, Federal Bulk, indoor range 25yds.

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^ Ruger MKIII, Federal Bulk, 21ft, fast pace fire.



Just suppose for a moment that the economy totally tanks, world wide...

...I have an M&P 15-22 and I just got an M&P 22 and I got them because in that situation, they would be pretty valuable and effective.

I have other larger caliber and much more appropiate defense guns but none of them shoot 5,000 rounds of ammo for under $200.00

In this hypothetical situation, a .22lr makes sense. Stockpiling ammo doesn't break the bank. If I had to venture out on foot, the weight & space ammo takes up in a hiking backpack becomes a big issue. I can carry more rounds of .22lr given a set weight constraint.

Now I want to go and get a Henry Survival Rifle...
 
Just suppose for a moment that the economy totally tanks, world wide.

Really, REALLY bad times set in, currency no longer has anyvalue, the Government is no longer sending out any entitlement/benfit checks, fuel is unobtainable and there is no more food showing up at the local super market.

You can buy a brick (500+) rounds for abouyt $20.00 right now.

Getring shot in a post societal collapse wil have a whole new meaning when there is no available medical care. An easily healed wound would probably be fatal in that situation.

I have an M&P 15-22 and I just got an M&P 22 and I got them because in that situation, they would be pretty valuable and effective.

I have other larger caliber and much more appropiate defense guns but none of them shoot 5,000 rounds of ammo for under $200.00
I have the same guns for the same reasons...
I could not agree more !!!
 
I have been told more than once that I am an idiot, but I trust the .22lr with my life. But I do not trust all .22lr rounds. My Stingers and Velociters are the apple of my eye.
 
If I could only have 2 weapons in my house out of all that I have. I would keep both my 22 rifles. My bolt action is a tack driver, and my semi auto with the red dot is deadly enough for consistent head shots out to 50yds shooting pretty fast. I don't care what weapon you use, if you are not placing your shots in the intended spot, it doesn't matter, yes with a smaller caliber anything, shot placement is more critical. I am completely confident in my shooting skills will all of my weapons, but follow ups are much quicker with less recoil.

My son and his bb gun are capable of taking out eyes at 20yds. He has done so good handling his bb gun safely and shooting it excellent that he is getting himself an M&P 15-22 for christmas. He is getting his before I will be getting myself an M&P 15. Any weapon in the right hands is deadly.
 
Systema (still learning), I'd probably use their own firearm to shoot them in the groin if they were close enough.

other than that it's the nagant (with bayonet) or the 15-22 (most likely as it's always loaded within reach of my desk/bed)... I'm proficient enough with either to take someone down at distance or point blank, and i would generally aim to kill as opposed to injure (I'm not getting sued).

I don't care what caliber the weapon is - not many people are going to take shots to the head, neck and chest and not drop.
 
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