15-22 is this a ftf - failure to feed

[eztarget]

i suspect this is a failure to feed and to me not being a very experienced shooter seemed to either be the magazine or the ammo i was shooting. i shot three magazines through mine the other day and i don't recall how many ftf's i got but it was a lot. the round didn't feed into the chamber completely. it would lodge in the receiver and the bolt would bend the round. to remove the round, i had to retract the charging handle and remove the magazine.

is that a common ftf?

thanks

 

[BELT_FED]

these little guns r very sensitive to the way you load the mag.. the prob. you r describing sounds like you are not loading it properly... only pull the load assist down far enough to get 1 round in at a time.. make sure that they alternate left to right looking at the mag from the rear.. ifim wrong it will need a trip to smith for some new mags and upgrading to latest specs.. this is all assuming that you are using good ammo

 

[SOUTHERNGA]

Yes that is a FTF. I was having the same problem and it's usually caused by either the ammo or the way the mag was loaded. Try some different Ammo or see the thread about loading the mag properly.

What ammo were you using?

 

[eztarget]

thanks,
i will try that. i was using Winchester HV 36 grain. i think that was it. just picked up middle of chart on cost at academy. if i were to buy additional magazines what is the recommendation here?

 

[BELT_FED]

stop and get you a couple hundred rds of cci ammo to break it in then you can go back to the cheaper stuff

 

[xx1trackxx]

Yes that is a FTF. I was having the same problem and it's usually caused by either the ammo or the way the mag was loaded. Try some different Ammo or see the thread about loading the mag properly.

What ammo were you using?

do u know the subject line for the loading mag thread? haven't had luck finding it.

 

[SOUTHERNGA]

do u know the subject line for the loading mag thread? haven't had luck finding it.

I don't remember where it is but basically it just explains what beltfed said. Make sure you pull the thumb saver down just enough for one round. AS far as ammo goes,I used some Winchester hv that gave me the same problem CCIs are good but i also had good luck with blazer and right now i'm shooting federal American eagle.

 

[chuck s]

Full box of Winchester 333 thru the carbine two days ago. Two (2) failures to feed, both in the first magazine. Bent rounds. The other 331 rounds went down range without problems.

-- Chuck

 

[eztarget]

would you treat this the same as a failure to fire in terms of safety? wait 5-10 before ejecting?

 

[mikehoncho]

would you treat this the same as a failure to fire in terms of safety? wait 5-10 before ejecting?

i don't because it's the side of the case that gets dented. the primer in the rim is unharmed, it's just wedged in tight between two pieces of plastic.

i save the bent rounds for when my target is behind an obstacle that i need to curve my shot around

 

[chuck s]

would you treat this the same as a failure to fire in terms of safety? wait 5-10 before ejecting?

Huh?

Failure to fire demands an immediate tap, rack, and roll. (Tap the magazine bottom, grasp the operating handle and pull fully to the rear while rolling the rifle to the right so the ejection port faces down). Release the operating handle. Follow by a trigger press to send a good round down range.

Why would you wait 5 - 10 (minutes? seconds?) before ejecting the round? It's less harmful than a fire cracker at your feet if it "explodes."

I assume this is a "square" or "one-way" range technique? These techniques can get you killed during the real engagement. Don't practice things that can get you killed. Don't diagnose the problem. Tap, rack, and roll cures many (probably most) stoppages including an empty chamber.

-- Chuck

 

[eztarget]

yea, i am new here and have not fired in a while. i read it somewhere. i agree with your assessment somewhat but chances are i won't be in combat anytime soon hopefully... at least not with a .22. on a side note, when i have this issue i am unable to tap, rack and roll. i have to tap, rack, pull the mag and it usually falls out. maybe my tap needs work?

and i did mean seconds

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Huh?

Failure to fire demands an immediate tap, rack, and roll. (Tap the magazine bottom, grasp the operating handle and pull fully to the rear while rolling the rifle to the right so the ejection port faces down). Release the operating handle. Follow by a trigger press to send a good round down range.

Why would you wait 5 - 10 (minutes? seconds?) before ejecting the round? It's less harmful than a fire cracker at your feet if it "explodes."

I assume this is a "square" or "one-way" range technique? These techniques can get you killed during the real engagement. Don't practice things that can get you killed. Don't diagnose the problem. Tap, rack, and roll cures many (probably most) stoppages including an empty chamber.

-- Chuck

I think it prudent to diagnose the condition before sending a good round anywhere.... especially right behind a squib. Take a moment and make sure that what drooped out of the ejection port has a bullet attached to it. It may not save your life, but it may save your barrel.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

would you treat this the same as a failure to fire in terms of safety? wait 5-10 before ejecting?

Good practice for revolver.

 

[chuck s]

Diagnosis is fatal, it wastes too much time.

You don't care (or certainly shouldn't) why the pistol went "click" rather than "bang." What you need is a good cartridge in the chamber as fast as you can get one in there.

1. Tap. This ensures the magazine is seated. If not there's a good chance the chamber is empty and any attempt to load a cartridge from the magazine will fail again. Another click.

2. Rack. Ya gotta retract the slide/charging handle to get the bad out and the good cartridge in the chamber. Makes no difference if the chamber was empty, there was a defective cartridge in there, or something else. Get whatever is in there (if anything) OUT and get something IN that works. Why are would we analyze what's wrong? The solution is the same regardless!

3. Roll. Closed slide pistols or upper receiver rifles can trap a cartridge or case inside. Roll the weapon ejection port down so anything in there falls out. A violent roll is better -- throw it out.

4. Release the slide/charging handle to chamber a good round.

Get back in the fight.

A non-diagnostic approach is faster and faster is more effective. As stated, What's to analyze? The solution is the same no matter what.

You can perform a complete diagnosis over a beer -- later.

A squib and you're screwed regardless You better be dodging and running for cover. But a squib is so far down the possibilities list as to be unlikely. Chamber a fresh round and send it. Two bullets stuck in the barrel is no worse than one. You can't make the weapon any more useless than it already is.

Practicing poor techniques will fail you in times of crisis. We all revert to our training (or lack of it).

-- Chuck

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Chuck,

So you'd fire off a round behind a squib in your 15-22 in an effort to maintain battle condition training? If so, then that's cool for you. But please understand that not everyone is seeking quite that level of readiness... and might be more inclined to remove a squib before firing off the next round. Just sayin..

 

[SNAPPYCRY]

If I get a failure to fire i just start throwing grenades. That clears most people out of the range. I then sling my rifle and blast my way to my car with my .45. I diagnose when i get home.

 

[ladder13]

I think it prudent to diagnose the condition before sending a good round anywhere.... especially right behind a squib. Take a moment and make sure that what drooped out of the ejection port has a bullet attached to it. It may not save your life, but it may save your barrel.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

If I get a failure to fire i just start throwing grenades. That clears most people out of the range. I then sling my rifle and blast my way to my car with my .45. I diagnose when i get home.

LOL!

I just got this image in my head of Chuck doing a 100yd belly crawl to change a paper target at the range.

 

[BELT_FED]

Lol and I thought I was the only 1 that did that..... hey phil before summer gets here and its 9426 degrees out side I'm going to set the tac range bamck up for some rimfire fun with metalic targets and some tannerite along the way just for good measure.. u think you might be interested