158 Grain 357 Magnum Medium Power Load

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Goal: Develop a 357 Magnum load that is medium power (low recoil), low blast and flash, with a bullet that will expand quickly and reliably.

Testing components:

• Case – mixed, mostly Starline, Winchester, PMC, with a smattering of R-P
• Primer – CCI Small Pistol Magnum
• Powder – IMR SR4756
• Bullets – 158 grain SWC and SWCHP-GC
• Measured Powder (beginning load with Lee Dipper, Pacific PM for latter loads)
• Medium-Heavy Crimp in crimping groove

Notes: Used Ruger NMBH 4.62" barrel. SWC is bevel based bulk hard-cast, HP is gas checked soft-cast, and both bullets are available commercial bullets. Pro Chrono was used and most testing took place in 100+ degree temperatures. Five shots per average with HP, and 6 shots with SWC used as calibration.

Results (rounded to the nearest 10 and with HP shown) – Average Velocity:

6.4 grains = 880 fps - light recoil with no signs of high pressure – spent cases dropped out.

7.0 grains = 1020 fps – light recoil with no signs of high pressure – spent cases dropped out.

7.5 grains = 1080 fps = light (but snappy) with no signs of high pressure – 5 spent cases did not drop out, but extracted normally – 1 case (in parrot chamber) required a slightly heavier than normal nudge to get it moving but broke loose with little movement.

8.0 grains = 1160 fps = recoil was snappy with a couple signs of lower end high pressures – 5 spent cases did not drop out and all required a nudge to get them moving (similar to typical full power load extraction) – 1 case (in parrot chamber?) required slightly heavy pressure (not needing a tap to move) to move case and moderate pressure to fully extract the case – all primers were flattened and not completely round, but no primer craters. It should also be noted that one shot (only one) exceeded 1200 fps and it might have been the one giving sticky extraction – and may not have been in the parrot chamber.

I hope this information will be of some interest and help to someone. I sure would have liked to have found it when I began working on this load. Thanks.:)
 
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How were your extreme spreads? I have noticed certain powders are much more consistent than others; 231 and Power Pistol have routinely shot consistently for me. When I velocity test, I fire each chamber twice which usually means 12 rounds, because different chambers can affect internal ballistics. The extra rounds can make a load or break a load, compared to only seeing a snapshot of 5 rounds.

Ever tried Power Pistol? I load it in .38+P, and I get velocities like your 7.0 load with ESs in the 30s.
 
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I currently load 13gr of IMR-4227, Winchester Small Magnum primer under a 158gr LRN COL 1.560 which is pleasant to shoot and produces 1090fps from my Dan Wesson 15-2 6". Spread was 72fps low to high, but I blame that on my cheap digital scale which I am having to recalibrate way too often.

I am trying to locate a source for the 173gr SWC Keith bullet to put on top of this load.
 
How were your extreme spreads? I have noticed certain powders are much more consistent than others; 231 and Power Pistol have routinely shot consistently for me. When I velocity test, I fire each chamber twice which usually means 12 rounds, because different chambers can affect internal ballistics. The extra rounds can make a load or break a load, compared to only seeing a snapshot of 5 rounds.

Ever tried Power Pistol? I load it in .38+P, and I get velocities like your 7.0 load with ESs in the 30s.

I used the less expensive SWC bullet to calibrate my shots. I used them first to see if they shot at the same velocity of the HP bullet, and once that was verified I fired a number of them to ensure my five shots of the more expensive bullets (try to buy bullets lately?) would give me a fairly accurate reading. I agree with your point - I just took a different approach.

My spreads averaged less than 50 fps, which I think was mostly due to my powder measuring and the powder's extruded shape.

I use Power Pistol in other chamberings, but did not here because I was looking for a load with low muzzle flash. The powder I used is noted for having very low muzzle flash.
 
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "parrot chamber"?
Oops! I meant canary chamber. It seems that all of my single-actions have one chamber that shows high pressures faster than others - I call it my canary chamber - in the canary in the mines showing when the air got bad. I'm sorry - thought canary and typed parrot.
 
Thanks for sharing your findings.

I used to use 4756 a lot long ago & was thinking about "trying" it again, since the LGS actually has some in stock, but not much of my usual powders. I browsed some of my old data & it's pretty spotty on 4756. (Found some crazy data from Speer #8 which I know I "punished" my Mdl. 28 Highway Patrolman with...RIP :( ) Your load with 4756 @ 8.0gr/158SWC was also in my log & marked as "accurate". I got to wondering about what pressure it was & checked Hodgdon's online site. It lists a 158gr LSWC starting at 5.0gr.@ 13.8K psi & max at 6.5gr.@ 27.6K psi. I know you said you were looking for a medium power load, but I wonder what pressure 8.0grs is given Hodgdon's data & a SAAMI 35K psi max.? (I hate to wonder what Speer's #8 double-digit loads were! :eek:)

Can you confirm a low/reduced muzzle flash with 4756, which you alluded to?
 
Thanks for sharing your findings.

Can you confirm a low/reduced muzzle flash with 4756, which you alluded to?
There's a lot of testimony on the internet about SR4756 being low flash and a number of experiments confirming it. Here is one link with a video illustrating its low flash.

A visible difference in powder

I haven't yet tested it myself.

As far as pressures go, I saw enough high pressure signs with the 8.0 grain load to give me a little pause (one cannot read pressure signs in handgun cartridges the same way one does rifle cartridges. Pressure signs in rifle cartridges show up gradually and are almost linear. Handgun cartridge pressure signs often show up late and can increase exponentially). Besides, I reached my goal between 7.0 and 7.5 grains.

Here is a good discussion on SR4756 published data and pressures from this forum.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/66215-sr-4756-357-a.html

Thanks.
 
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I used SR4756 in my 686 6" with 38 spl cases and 158gr swc lead loads and they worked ok for std and +p loads but not the best accuracy wise........................
I did not load lead in the mag cases but did test the 158 xtp with the SR4756 powder and stopped at 9.5grs with a cci500 primer, since the chrony was reading a velocity ave. of 1235fps at ten feet which is a Fac Dup loading.
ES was +/- 44 fps and 4 of 5 were at .62 inches at 25 yards off a sand bag.

Lots of different powder charge weights from the low IMR and Hodgdon data to the crazy Speer #8 book.............sure glad I have a chrony to see what the real deal is !!

One could push the envelope with a L or N frame but factory speeds are good enough for me and it is easy on my revolver and spent brass ejects fine, for me.
 
Lots of different powder charge weights from the low IMR and Hodgdon data to the crazy Speer #8 book.............sure glad I have a chrony to see what the real deal is !!
Ditto! Nothing beats a chrony and real tests. Thanks Nevada Ed for the feedback.
 
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