18 to 21 year olds who have pawned their rifles in Florida

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Went to the LGS today Interesting and sad development

Seems due to the new Senate Bill (florida) (SB 7026) not only are 18-21 not allowed to purchase a firearm (rifle) but this also"https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/7026/BillText/er/PDF:

If any in this age group had a rifle in Pawn to borrow money, then will not be allowed to have the rifle returned to them!

A FDLE (Florida Dept Law Enforcement)(background) check is required when picking up a pawned rifle. The system will not allow anyone under 21 to be entered into the system!! So the individual can not have their rifle back and the pawn/gun shop is stuck with the item.

So I wonder how this can be and how it will play out from this point forward??

How can this be if they already bought and owned it?

(around line 670 or so)

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2018/7026/BillText/er/PDF
 
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Wow!

If they can refuse ownership at a pawn shop what's next?

That needs to be amended but that would show the error in their ways.
 
pawn ?'s

It begs other questions: What if an 18-21 year old takes a long gun to a smith for repair? Does the smith have to enter the weapon into their "log book" as receiving it? Can it then be returned? What about the millions of long guns out there that were legally purchased by 18-21's before the new statute. Would these 18-21's now be in violation of the new statute?

Ischia
 
No time to read 105 pages.... but examples above are not 'purchases"

Ownership does not pass...... pawn shop gun is collateral on a loan.

How it will work..... who knows....
 
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All i know is if you pawn a firearm ,to redeem it you must fill out a 4473 and be cleared by the Fed.gov. before you can take possession of the firearm
 
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This appears to be a lot like the BS that ensued when the infamous NY "SAFE ACT"was rushed through in the middle of the night!

Our "glorious" legislators/gov just had to do something (AKA anything) and because of that a lot of dumb things happened.

They know nothing about guns or even what laws are now on the books but they lower their head and charge. A couple of these things have been straightened out by gun groups going into court.

This appears like what is happening in Florida now!:mad: We the honest tax paying citizens get our rights trampled on!
 
Are people being deprived of property without due process of law? Have "takings" occurred without just compensation?

Unfortunately, those who are adversely affected must pursue redress at their own expense, while those causing the adverse effects will defend their cause at public expense. Not many individuals have the financial resources, much less the time or patience, to take on the type of legal actions required to have such matters fully adjudicated.

Now, if a hundred thousand or more affected individuals come together, pool resources, and pursue class action litigation the playing field might approach a level condition. Then if the NRA and other groups supporting individual rights under the Constitution step up with experienced legal resources, perhaps the fight might be more even.

Then, if 1 in 10 US firearms owners each kick in a $10 bill to help with the case (110 million gun owners X 10% = 11 million, 11 million X $10 = $110 million), then we might be able to tilt the scales a bit in our favor.

My checkbook is ready.
 
LoboGunLeather said:
Are people being deprived of property without due process of law? Have "takings" occurred without just compensation?

Unfortunately, those who are adversely affected must pursue redress at their own expense, while those causing the adverse effects will defend their cause at public expense. Not many individuals have the financial resources, much less the time or patience, to take on the type of legal actions required to have such matters fully adjudicated.

Now, if a hundred thousand or more affected individuals come together, pool resources, and pursue class action litigation the playing field might approach a level condition. Then if the NRA and other groups supporting individual rights under the Constitution step up with experienced legal resources, perhaps the fight might be more even.

Then, if 1 in 10 US firearms owners each kick in a $10 bill to help with the case (110 million gun owners X 10% = 11 million, 11 million X $10 = $110 million), then we might be able to tilt the scales a bit in our favor.

My checkbook is ready.
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So is mine! Where do I send the check?

This is probably one reason why assault weapons and mags were grandfathered in the ‘94 Assault Weapon Ban. It’s also the reason CA’s recent hi cap mag ban got shot down in court and CA’s AG hasn’t appealed it. Not to mention there’s been almost zero compliance with the CA’s ‘01 mag ban and assault rifle registration.
 
The only time I ever redeemed at a Pawn Shop, the Guns belonged to the lady with me who was about to lose them.
As I counted out the Benjamins, the Pawn Shop owner had a painful expression on his face!
 
ischia said:
It begs other questions: What if an 18-21 year old takes a long gun to a smith for repair? Does the smith have to enter the weapon into their "log book" as receiving it? Can it then be returned? What about the millions of long guns out there that were legally purchased by 18-21's before the new statute. Would these 18-21's now be in violation of the new statute?

Ischia
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If the customer waits for the repair, it does not need to be entered in the book. If he leaves it overnight then yes it goes in the bound book. As far as I know its the same as sending a gun back to the manufacturer. So if say SW sends you a call tag and it is picked up from your house and then sent back to your house there is no 4473 or background done. If you ship it through a LGS and it is listed as a REPAIR then when it comes back it is logged but no 4473 is need. (I went round and round with a FFL on this.

So NO a back ground check is not needed and the gun can be returned (TO the best of my knowledge at this time!)

Does a gunsmith need to enter every firearm received for adjustment or repair into an acquisition and disposition (A&D) record? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

Must a licensed gunsmith conduct a NICS background check on the return of repaired or customized firearms? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
 
walter o said:
All i know is if you pawn a firearm ,to redeem it you must fill out a 4473 and be cleared by the Fed.gov. before you can take possession of the firearm
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Yes, I said that.

It is not the Pawn Shops/LGS fault the 4473 background check automated system (old phone call) will not allow an entry for someone under 21.

Poor Planning on the not thinking out things before enacting the Bill.

There are lots and lots of other things regarding the whole mental helath thing that are not going to be easy to figure out.

Again, lets do something and think about what crashes later!
Typical BS
 
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