1878 Colt Lighting

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It's not a Smith, but I inherited this 1878 Colt Lighting in 38 long colt from my grandfather. The pictures make the finish look much worse than it is for some reason... On something this old, would it be safe to shoot if I can find the right cowboy ammo or is this better left cleaned up and stored?
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CONGRATULATIONS---THIS IS A GORGEOUS OLD COLT. TREAT IT KINDLY, WITH THE RESPECT THAT IT DESERVES.....
 
If it is mechanically sound 38 Long Colt or reduced load target 38 Spls can be fired in this revolver and that's the good news. The bad news is their mechanisms are very delicate and prone to breakage and very difficult and expensive to repair today. You're the only one that can decide how to proceed.
Jim
 
Is a true beauty for sure. One of those guns I would love to shoot but probably would not for fear of breaking it. Should be worth quite a sum I would think.
 
Looks in good shape. Let a gunsmith verify that and shoot a few light loads.
Ya can't take it with ya.
Isn't that what Billy The Kid carried? Or was that the .44 Thunderer?
 
Can't help you much with shooting/not shooting, but in case you need parts, loading data, do research on it, etc., it's an 1877 Lightning. The Model 1878 is a much different revolver.
Thanks - I was told it was 1878, but maybe that's when it was made. There are patent marks with the latest as 1875 ( the photo makes the finish look so much worse than it really is), I'll look around and see if I can date it by serial number.
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If it is mechanically sound 38 Long Colt or reduced load target 38 Spls can be fired in this revolver and that's the good news. The bad news is their mechanisms are very delicate and prone to breakage and very difficult and expensive to repair today. You're the only one that can decide how to proceed.
Jim
There looks like there's good rifling in the barrel, and it seems to function mechanically ok - my grandfather was a gunsmith and this was in his collection, so i have no reason to think it wouldn't be fully functional. I've read a lot on how temperamental and fragile these were, really would like to shoot it just to say I did, but would hate to break something and not be able to replace.

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Much as I would want to shoot it, I would say no. A very gentle cleaning perhaps?
 
Shoot that thing. If it works now, after 140 years, it will survive a little shooting.

You can still find .38 Long Colt ammo, but its pricey. I loaded up some powder puff loads in .38 Special cases, and they worked fine.
 

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First, the Thunderer was 41 Long Colt (vs 41 Short Colt, which duplicated the 41 rimfire). I've had (and shot) both the Lightning and the Thunderer, as well as the 1878 (and 1902 Alaskan/Filipino Model).

I would, if everything is fine, shoot it once just so you can say you did. They are VERY fragile, there are few gunsmiths who work on them and the nearest parts are on the planet Neptune!==LOL;);)

BTW: That's "Storekeepers" or "Sheriff's" Model. The cylinder pin is in great condition, they rarely are!

BTW: The 41 Long Colt is one of my favorite rounds and is a "little" bit hotter than non-+P 38 Specials. Elmer Keith thought it was a better "manstopper".
 
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There's a few small, thin flat springs inside that are many times the source of the problem in the '77. One is a 3-legged thing and it breaks easily. It powers the hand and cylinder bolt.
The sear spring is a single leaf spring but with 3 bends in it,2 rather sharp and one gentle bow inbtw the 2,, it also gives problems when it doesn't have enough power and you try to bend it a bit.
Trigger spring is a simple single leaf but very short and stiff, It breaks easily if over bent.
The cylinder bolt is an L shaped part with it's pivot pin machined or cast right into it. It will often break the long extension arm right off that draws the bolt back and out of engagement.

Dixie GunWorks of all places used to sell a cast replacement for these back in the 70's and 80's as well as a few other repro parts. They were about useless even after filed up and fitted. But it was about all that ws around. Some welding/brazing to rebuild the 'new'part usually resulted in success.

The D/A sear is another dinky part that gives it up easily. The repro part of those the same issue as the cyl bolt.
Some repaired '77's would leave the DA system dead and just rely on the SA to have a usable pistol.

Even in the 70's and 80's you couldn't find any good parts!.

Jack First Gun PArts does list quite a few parts for the 1877 now including those annoying little springs & mainspring.
They also list the DA sear, hand (another trouble maker), trigger and the cylinder stop.

I've never bought any of the parts from them so I can't vouch for their quality. Some are repro I'm sure, but how good I don't know.
CNC machining of odd parts would seem to be the way to go now as opposed to the rather crude cast method of making them.
He has screws and other small parts available too.

Colt 1877 Double Action Lightning revolver – Jack First Inc.

Looking over his list I see that a couple of the more common to break parts are 'out of stock',,not unusual I guess.

The last one I worked on was one that was converted to 22LR. That was a neat little pistol, but it didn't make any inprovements in the mechanics.
It's just one of those designs where it appears they didn't have a clear plan. They just kept altering parts till things would work.

The 38cal Lightings will accept 38Sp WC as the chambers are bored thru,,no shoulder for the 38Long Colt that it is actually designed for.
That's what Colt did on it's 38Colt revolvers than,,bored the cylinder straight through.
You will find that feature on early Colt SAA in cal 38 Colt also,,the cylinder bored straight through w/no shoulder. I forget when Colt started to use the shouldered chamber, but it was well after the 1877 was discontinued.
Easy on the loads, easy on the gun play. No guarantees on the mechanics of the pistol.
 
I would suggest using .38 SHORT Colt ammunition. Last I heard it was still in production, and is popular for use in some competitive combat shooting events (ICORE) as it has some case extraction advantages. .38 Long Colt will probably be more difficult to come by. If .38 Special wadcutter loads will chamber (I don't know if they will or not), they will be the easiest to locate. The old Colt DAs do have a reputation for having a delicate mechanism, but I have no personal experience with them to confirm or refute.
 

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