1917 Snub Nose Project

Here's one of mine. It uses a 625-10 PC 2" barrel and matching cylinder. I actually used a BB for the ball and a Cylinder & Slide spring for the ball detent. The C&L balls were smaller than the existing cut in the barrel.
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That gun is amazing!!! I've seen it before or one like it. I'm not sure if it's yours or not. I can't seen to find 625 barrels except for a new 4" from midway which is current production. May I ask how you got the round butt to work?
 

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Can you make that into a round butt? Those square butt stocks ruin the concealability if you ask me.

TheShootist1894 did this one for me - it was a 4" M64.

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I didn't want a "Fitz Special" so he relieved the trigger guard instead - it's hard to see due to the "stand" supporting the gun. Also, he checkered the backstrap. I have square butt snubby K frames but I prefer them round.

I AGREE, Yoda. THE ROUND BUTT AND BOBBED HAMMER IS THE WAY TO GO. THE BARREL COULD BE CUT SHORTER, IF HE WISHES, BUT YOUR GUN LOOKS JUST ABOUT PERFECT TO ME......
 
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Put a set of round butt Magna grips on it and then trace around them. If the cut interferes with SN, well of course you shouldn't cut unless you do make a set of custom grips that allows for the full SN to not be altered.

You can petition the BATFE to allow for a restamping of the original SN before the fact (by a licensed gunsmith) if the original will be defaced by a necessary refinish. They can provide a letter to the GS to allow him to relocate it to the side or front before it is obliterated from the bottom. The important word here is 'before'.

My 2" pictured above was modified to K square butt shape, but it didn't hurt the original frame SN.
 
FWIW, I personally prefer the square butt on an N frame and don't have trouble concealing it, so I'd leave it for the time being. You can always grind it down later.

As for the barrel, I think on a variety of levels you are better off keeping it at around 3". There's the slight increase in performance, the improved appearance, and ultimately the fact that if you finish it and decide to sell, folks on this site will gobble it up if it's a 3", but less so if it's a 2". Note: I carry a 3" 629 every day, and it's my favorite gun. Despite being a round butt, otherwise it's just the perfect size for me.
 
You can petition the BATFE to allow for a restamping of the original SN before the fact (by a licensed gunsmith) if the original will be defaced by a necessary refinish. They can provide a letter to the GS to allow him to relocate it to the side or front before it is obliterated from the bottom. The important word here is 'before'.

My 2" pictured above was modified to K square butt shape, but it didn't hurt the original frame SN.

THAT'S A USEFUL BIT OF INFO, cgt4570. THANKS FOR SHARING IT......
 
If concealment is your goal, it is easier to hide a 4" round butt revolver than it is to hide a 2" square butt.

I GOTTA ROLL WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, Muley Gil......

THE PROBLEM IS THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE BUTT, RATHER THAN THE LENGTH OF THE BARREL. SQUARE BUTTS HAVE A TENDENCY TO PRINT---ESPECIALLY ON A N-FRAME GUN........
 
As far as the model it's a Brazilian contract 1917. So the serial number is on the back of the bottom. It doesn't say US Army so there isn't enough room I don't think to round the butt off to make it a official round butt. Other wise I'd have to make custom grips.

I may just cut it down to the ejector lug and try it like that for awhile and see how I like it. Then I can look for another barrel in the mean time and see what happens from there before I cut it extremely short.


Normally the serial # on a pre war model is centered w/o a lanyard swivel and the 1917 US Army are fairly simple because of the serial # location. But since the Brazilians were made with swivels, the # is moved to the rear. So round butting is not that simple.

To rd butt a 1917 US Army or pre war N frame w/o lanyard swivel:

The rear corner of the butt is hollow so it can't just be ground off, the backstrap must be cut loose from the butt, bending the backstrap forward 5/16", and welding it back together with the butt. Cut off the excess butt length and grind the heel off 1/8" to round it to the rd grip. Then grind off 1/4" from the front toe, round it, and grind the taper up the fore strap almost its full height to match the rd grip. Re-countersink the tension screw hole for the screw head and cut the screw length to fit.


To rd butt to fit a standard N frame rd butt grip and retain the serial # and lanyard ring on a Brazilian or commercial model:

Instead of doing the above, don't cut the backstrap at the heel. Cut the butt/backstrap loose from the grip frame by making a cut thru the toe horizontally just above the lanyard retaining pin and leave the backstrap attached to the butt. Now bend the back strap and butt forward 5/16".

To re-attach the butt/backstrap to the grip frame and maintain the grip's original length, make a "fill" weld in the cut. Grind off the heel corner of the backstrap 1/8" to round it to match rd butt grips mounted on the locating dowel. Cut off the excess 5/16" butt length at the toe, and rd the toe to match the rd butt grip. Grind off the taper up the forestrap to match the grip. Re-countersink the tension screw hole for the screw head and cut the screw length to fit.

The full serial # and lanyard swivel hole has been retained. The swivel hole will be right under the bottom of the mainspring. Slightly deepen the swivel hole thru the fill weld and re-install the swivel. The original position of the grip dowel and mainspring retention groove are undisturbed. Polish all ground surfaces and your done! No more work than to do a normal rd butt conversion.

Hope that helps and you can follow it,
 
You can petition the BATFE to allow for a restamping of the original SN before the fact (by a licensed gunsmith) if the original will be defaced by a necessary refinish. They can provide a letter to the GS to allow him to relocate it to the side or front before it is obliterated from the bottom. The important word here is 'before'.

My 2" pictured above was modified to K square butt shape, but it didn't hurt the original frame SN.

Which model is the frame?
 
Front Sight

With a barrel that short, I would consider not mounting the front sight on it. Solder a BB on the front of the frame instead.

Jeff
 
I am having a 2" made from a reblued 1917 military and leaving the sq butt grip frame alone. That way I can switch around my N frame grips when I fire up the BBQ. Midway or Brownells have a kit for the detent. I still don't know what to do for the front sight.

Charlie
 
I have several including a 17 cut to 3.5". I shot it this week with no front sight and it hit4-5" high at 7yd. It is nickel and won't solder. My suggestion before rounding the butt is to install a boot grip and try it with a pancake type holster which tucks the butt in closer. Boot grips are easy to fabricate by cutting and old pair of target grips level with the butt
 
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Try to get your hands on a cutdown before you start sawing.
Tastes vary but I consider that I ruined a Highway Patrolman by having the butt rounded and I was a very short term owner of a Bobtailed 1911.
 
Yeah that colt was another one that inspired me. I didn't go that route though because of the colt being larger and heavier then the s&w. It is a beautiful revolver though.

As far as the front sight I've thought about not using a front sight and making it like a charter arms pitbull. Then just running a longer notch down the top strap for some better alignment. I mean let's be honest. The intended purpose isn't going to shoot well long distances anyway so it probably wouldn't be a big deal anyway.

I'm still up in the air on the round butt conversion for now but not excluding it.

Hondo44 I'm going to PM for more info on what you explained just to make sure I'm clear on what you are saying to do. I have all the equipment and capability of doing the welding at home so in definitely considering it at some point.

If those of you that posted about a 2" barrel could post some more pictures that would be awesome! As of right now deyomatics is the only real short snubby I could find using a original style barrel.
 
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