1957 Winchester 62A

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It continues to rain pump guns. I walked into the local gun shop looking for ammo, and they led me to the back room where they were in the process of listing this on GB.

I said how much. He named a price, a pretty good price, and said, “but I’ll knock of $50 for you”. I said “no need to list that on GB” and took it home.

It was incredibly dirty, and stiff, but after a complete detail strip, cleaning and reassembly this afternoon it runs like a Swiss watch. And it cleaned up really nice.

Here it is along side its 24” octagon barreled Winchester 1890 grandpa (made in 1926):

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It’s an all correct numbers matching 23” barrel, coil spring, Model 62A with a serial number dating it to 1957, about 30,000 rifles from the end of production.

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Very shiny blue (reflecting my stripped shirt) about 95 percent intact:

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Congratulations, great looking rifle!

I’ve wanted a nice 62A for a long time, I really love those Winchesters! But I never seem to run into one that is in both good/original condition, and not priced out of reach. I’m hopeful that someday I’ll stumble upon this elusive combination. Until then, I’ll just admire others’ beautiful 62s…
 
That'd be the 61....

wouldn't it?

IIRC, the 62 would shoot S, L and LR.

Back in college, a friend had a 1890 in .22 Short only. Normally, he was a better shot than me, but I could outshoot him with that old 1890. :) I really like lining up 10 penny nails and shooting off of a fence rail.
 
That'd be the 61....

wouldn't it?

An abbreviated history of the 1890, 1906, 61 and 62:


Model 1890

The 1890 was designed for the .22 Winchester Rim Fire, and was commonly chambered as well in .22 Short and .22 Long. Despite coming out in 1887, Winchester was resistant to the .22 LR, apparently backing its own .22 WRF in favor of the .22 LR.

It wasn’t a bad plan as the 1890 was unique in being lightweight, slick in operation and fairly inexpensive with little repeater competition at the time. There was the heavier, more expensive and occasionally problematic Colt Lighting, and the more expensive Marlin 1891, and I think Winchester felt it’s larger share of the market and .22 WRF would prevail over the .22 LR.

Winchester didn’t chamber a rifle in .22 LR until 1907 and then it was in the 1906 rifle. They didn’t chamber the 1890 in .22 LR until 1919, and it has always been an uncommon cartridge for an 1890.

Another aspect of it is that the 1890 design required different lifters to function with the four different length cartridges, so there was no interchangeability within a single rifle.

The first model 1890s had solid frames and fixed sights, with about 15,000 produced in the first 2 years of production.

The second model introduced the take down design and had an adjustable sight. IIRC about 100,000 of these were sold before they switched from color case hardened to blued steel receivers around 1901.

The third model was introduced in 1907 after the economy model 1906. It had the same externally visible locking lugs as the 1906 and later 62. The 1890 was produced along side the 1906 until 1932 when both were replaced by the Model 62.

The third model 1890 comprised the remaining 500,000 or so of the 840,000 or so 1890s produced in total from 1890-1932. There were also a few 1890s made until 1941 from left over parts.

The 1890 was available with different options but the standard was a 24” octagon barrel and straight stock.


Model 1906

The 1906 was an economy model of the 1890, with a 20” round rather than octagon barrel, a flat shot gun butt rather than the crescent butt plate and a slightly shorter length of pull. The first 100,000 or so produced in 1906-1907 in .22 Short only. They were priced at $8.50 at the time, compared to $10.50 for the 1890.

In 1907 Winchester started chambering the 1906 in .22 S, L, LR as a grudging nod that the .22 LR was here to stay and essential for the 1906 to be competitive.

About 750,000 were produced before it and the 1890 were discontinued in 1932, although a few more were made from left over parts until 1936.


Model 62

In 1932 Olin acquired Winchester, and introduced the Model 61 and Model 62. The Model 62 was an updated 1890 chambered in .22 S, L and LR, with a 23” round barrel. It was available in a few different grades in the catalog but like all the Olin era Winchesters was not available with many options and in this case no options. The fore end was a little longer than the 1890, but not much. The 62A got coil springs and a longer fore end.

In keeping with the 1890 and 1906 there was also a .22 Short only gallery model with the triangular shaped loading port to accommodate the loading tubes used by galleries.

Winchester made roughly 490,000 of them before it was discontinued in 1958. The 1890, 1906 and 62 and 62A together compromised about 2 million exposed hammer pump action rimfires.


Model 61:

The Model 61 was the first hammerless Winchester pump action and Winchester was late to the party. Savage had one starting in 1903 and Remington Came out with the Model 12 in 1909.

Winchester and John Browning (who designed the 1890) parted ways in 1902 and Browbing had designed a pump action rimfire for FN in 1922, so Winchester had to be careful about patent infringement. Plus the traditional hammer designs were selling well, so Winchester wasn’t in a hurry until about 1930. Even then it introduced the Model 62 along side the Model 61 and kept the 62 until 1958.

The 61 was primarily chambered in .22 S, L and LR, with a small number of . 22 Short only, as well as a small number in .22 WRF and a small number of late production rifles in .22 WMR (the first .22 WMR rifles on the market). In the mid 1950s they started grooving the receiver for top off scope mounts.

About 344,000 were made before it was discontinued in 1963, but interestingly enough the same basic bolt design and feed system was used 9 years later in the 9422 with relatively little modification.
 
The 61 was primarily chambered in .22 S, L and LR, with a small number of . 22 Short only, as well as a small number in .22 WRF and a small number of late production rifles in .22 WMR (the first .22 WMR rifles on the market). In the mid 1950s they started grooving the receiver for top off scope mounts.

A nice summary, but there are more 61 variations than these listed. That's what makes them so fun to collect.

round barrel single calibers- short, WRF, LR
octagon barrel single calibers- short, WRF, LR
round top, groove top, Win Mag RF, WMRF, three different smooth bores, plus the standard rifles in pre and post war configuration.
The smooth bores were the Routledge bore, the Winchester counter bore, and the straight smooth bore. There was also an experimental smooth bore in .22 magnum.
And gallery guns.
Winchester never catalogued deluxe 61's (special wood and/or engraving) but they could be ordered.

Collecting the .22s has been a joy. I look forward to passing them on one day.
 
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A nice summary, but there are more 61 variations than these listed. That's what makes them so fun to collect.

round barrel single calibers- short, WRF, LR
octagon barrel single calibers- short, WRF, LR
round top, groove top, Win Mag RF, WMRF, three different smooth bores, plus the standard rifles in pre and post war configuration.
The smooth bores were the Routledge bore, the Winchester counter bore, and the straight smooth bore. There was also an experimental smooth bore in .22 magnum.
And gallery guns.
Winchester never catalogued deluxe 61's (special wood and/or engraving) but they could be ordered.

Collecting the .22s has been a joy. I look forward to passing them on one day.

That’s why I called it an abbreviated history.

I also tried to keep it interesting for the non collectors, with broader interest, like why Winchester was so slow to adopt the .22 LR and the significant decline in special orders after Olin acquired Winchester in 1932, although to be fair Winchester was already doing a lot less special order work by 1926 and relying more on standard models.
 
IIRC, the 62 would shoot S, L and LR.

Back in college, a friend had a 1890 in .22 Short only. Normally, he was a better shot than me, but I could outshoot him with that old 1890. :) I really like lining up 10 penny nails and shooting off of a fence rail.

No, I meant that the hammerless 61s were the "gallery guns" at the carnies-
 
Not all that long ago, I became interested in Winchester pump .22s, and got a couple of nice examples. The Model 62 design goes back a long way to the models of 1890 and 1906, but actually was introduced as the Model 62 in 1932. With minor modifications including a coiled hammer spring, the Model 62A was authorized in 1938 and implemented in 1939-40. These were all based on John Browning's work. The Model 61 is a more modern hammerless number which was also introduced in 1932. It was the invention of Winchester employees Harry Crockett and Frank Burton. Both work flawlessly and are sufficiently accurate for casual target shooting or small game. Both of the guns I own operate with S, L, or LR cartridges interchangeably. Production ceased on the Model 62A in 1959 and the Model 61 in 1963.

John

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This is my model 62A, shipped in February of 1946.


And this is my Model 61 - it left the factory in August of 1951.
 
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An excellent and go to reference book on the Winchester .22 slide action rifles is "Winchester Slide action Rifles" volumes one and two By Ned Schwing.

These two books are out of print and are getting very expensive. There was a second printing of the two books combined in paperback and it is also out of print and costly. It covers nearly all variations of the 06, 90, 62, and 61 pumps. I love the center section of colored pictures of engraved, plated and custom guns.

 
Love those Winchester 22's,,some great looking rifles here.

I have custom upgraded a number of them.
Here's a smooth top Model 61.
Restocked w/ Euro walnut. Checkered 20LPI w/a custom pattern but based on Winchesters B-Carve style.
Full coverage scroll engraving with 24k gold inlay figures and some line inlay..
Full reblue. I rust blued it but kept a fairly high polish in tact.
All done,,unfired since completed,,,,and there it sits in the corner.
On to another project. Such is (semi) retirement.









 
A nice summary, but there are more 61 variations than these listed. That's what makes them so fun to collect.

round barrel single calibers- short, WRF, LR
octagon barrel single calibers- short, WRF, LR
round top, groove top, Win Mag RF, WMRF, three different smooth bores, plus the standard rifles in pre and post war configuration.
The smooth bores were the Routledge bore, the Winchester counter bore, and the straight smooth bore. There was also an experimental smooth bore in .22 magnum.
And gallery guns.
Winchester never catalogued deluxe 61's (special wood and/or engraving) but they could be ordered.

Collecting the .22s has been a joy. I look forward to passing them on one day.

IIRC Winchester mfg’d like 77 of the Routledge bores. My Uncle has collected 61s for over 30 years and he has a minty one. It’s the crown jewel of his collection.
 
This is my model 62A, shipped in February of 1946.

John,
You may already know this, but I'll take a chance anyway.
Winchester, like S&W, didn't throw away parts when design changes were made.
You're 62A is a "transition" gun in that it has the post war forearm but the pre war stock with the sharp comb.
Nice looking rifle.
 
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They’re awesome old rifles for sure. I have the sixth to last one that they made (412016 of 412022)- .22 Short gallery gun.

As with sjbrdn’s picture of three of his gallery guns, I’ve always found it interesting that Winchester used their gallery variants as advertising with the large stylized “Winchester” logo on the side, usually infilled in red.

Winchester obviously wanted the shooter to know the brand of gun he was shooting.

I found it interesting as while I always enjoyed a good shooting gallery at a carnival I usually ended up wasting the first go, figuring out where the rifle is shooting, as they intentionally didn’t have them properly aligned. Once I figured out the necessary Kentucky windage it was open season.

But just how good an advertisement was that for Winchester?

As an aside, it’s much the same thing with the fake Thompson sub machine BB guns at carnivals. The sights are never on and accuracy is horrible. But one you figure out where it’s shooting, if you fire the shortest possible bursts the trigger will manage (usually 2-3 rounds) you can focus on shooting the points off the star (rather than the center) and about half the time can cut the star out of the target without leaving any red.
 
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