.22lr Hunting Ethics

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Post opinions on ethics questions here.

Lots of folks have lots to say so to keep other posts on track I figured I would make a post so those folks had a place to voice all of their concerns where it didnt drag other posts off topic.
 
being that i ONLY hunt birds and predators, i would never shoot anything bigger than a small racoon with a .22. Coyote...never....i hate having wounded animals running off and at 27 coyotes for the year so far, i have not lost one yet. .22 Magnum for bobcats and fox, don't want them to run and lose valuable pelts.
i won't even use a .17 HMR for coyotes, after one ballistic tip shattered on his shoulder, got rid of it, saw no use at all.

one caveat: i will use a .22 pistol for a Coup de Gras on a dog (coyote) that is not dead yet but is not running. one behind the ear. there is no sense shooting it again with the AR or 3", #4 buck again from the shotgun.

i'll stick with jackrabbits and cottontails for my .22's. too bad there are no squirrels in the lower southwest desert!
 
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The idea of shooting larger predators with a .22 LR brings to mind a line from Jurassic Park in which Jeff Goldbloom stated: "Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should."

The same applies to those who think .22 LR is an adequate self defense round.
 
FWIW, from ballistics by the inch, 22 mag has from two to three times the muzzle energy of a 22LR when shot from an 18"+ rifle barrel.

So 22 mag is a different story.

From a snubby, 22 mag and 22lr are about the same.
 
Atleast we all can agree, point blank range with a 22 mag is fine for a kill shot, even a 22lr for some med size animals.
However like I said anything bigger is an issue. Yes it can be done, but should you?
 
we've all heard the stories of the deer shot DRT with a .22 at 200 yards, and the 10 rounds of stingers from my Walther P22 in the face of intruder is going to stop him, (prolly would if you hit the savage all 10 times) et al, ad nauseum. We have all (really) taken bunnies with it as it is an excellent round for a thin skinned animal. add any fur and furget it!

there is always that lucky hit that double lungs and hearts a deer, but most are urban or country legends, terminal ballistics proves that, but luck plays a big factor.

would i want to get shot with a .22? Heck NO! Ask Ronny Reagan if you can, Robert Kennedy, prolly a couple more but my memory fails me on caliber. by FBI stats, more people are killed with a .22 than any other...why? Most people OWN a .22! kinda makes sense...duh!

Well i'm off to the gun show go get raped on a couple bricks of the stuff right now!
 
Not sure I understand your question entirely, but here goes.

.22 LR is fine for small game. .22 MRF (as S & W stamps their guns) extends this to small-medium game, as others stated. If you find yourself in a survival/life-or-death situation, aim carefully. If you consciously brought a .22 knowing you were hunting bigger game and something appears, use this as a lesson to bring a bigger gun next time. Feel free to kick yourself in the opposite leg as a reminder as necessary :).
 
best answer all thread! If i'm rabbit hunting with the .22 and a dog presents, i'll not shoot. proper equipment for the proper job.
 
2 things only:
1. Use the proper caliber for everything.
2. Don't kill anything just to do so. Something you eat is fine and something that is a true pest. I don't hunt squirrels, chipmunks, or such since I don't plan on eating them and they are not really pests. Game birds yes, other birds no, especially raptors. I suppose if I kept chickens I might feel different. The farm owner here would not mind me shooting a few raptors but I told him flat out I don't. Foxes we have but we have a trapper who takes them so I don't. I have seen some coyote tracks and I would take them out. I do thin the groundhog population. We have deer and turkeys in season.
 
i wish we had squirrels down here in Yuma, AZ! a little drive north to the pines and oaks and they have them. Originally from Indiana and we used to take out the groundhogs eating our soybean field with a .22-250, that was fun!
We prairie dog hunt here as the towns are huge just north of us, if a hundred hunters we there at one time it would not put a dent in the population and they carry plague.
coyotes carry all kinds of disease and the farmers down here are all organic, so if a yote takes a dump in an organic field, they have to cordon, 5' around the scat and cannot harvest it due to e-coli. remember the e-coli epidemic in CA on the spinach...that was caused by coyote poop!
I eat everything i kill except for coyote and fox. i have tried them 5-6 different ways and they taste like **** anyway you cook them!!!!!
but i did try it.
Rattlers are the best in the summer, and antelope jack rabbits when it cools down, backstrap jerky is the bomb!!

I don't hunt big game, but i'll not turn it away if given to me!!!! Love to eat it, Army made me not want to shoot them!
 
Re: OP. Writing specifically to your question, I have with complete satisfaction routinely used .22 LR ammunition in various and sundry rifles to take common small game animals. I have also used it to kill vermin up to approximately 40-50 pounds. Distances have been anywhere from hard off the muzzle on out to maybe 100 yds. Firing up close I've not had any problems with the .22 LR round being effective. Firing at longer distances, I've always been able to use a good solid prone position which allowed me to place the shot precisely for a one shot kill.

While I have carried various .22 LR pistols and revolvers, I have only used them on small game and a few birds, a task at which those handguns and the .22 LR round excelled.

I have not ever used a .22 LR firearm to kill medium or large game as it is illegal. I have seen my father and others use .22 LR firearms to kill hogs of various sizes when they were trapped/penned. Between 1979 and 1983 I worked as a security guard at various locations in New Orleans, LA, mostly a shipyard and a construction yard. I carried a little Ruger Mk. II in my pocket as that was what I could afford. It was loaded w/ .22 LR Stingers. I used it on rats, sea gulls and the dogs that were a everpresent problem. It was supremely effective. It never missed a beat. It never failed to fire. If a second shot was needed it was only because I failed to make a first round hit. Because it was inexpensive, I was able to shoot it so much that I became very proficient with it.

Now that deer season is over, I will be wandering the woods/fields mostly armed w/ my beloved 18-3 or a new to me Ruger Mk. II target competition model pistol, either of which will be loaded with CCI Mini-Mags as this is a round that shoots superlatively in both handguns. There will be opportunities to hunt a variety of small game. And there will be varmints in season. And, there will be other things that need shooting such as pine cones, dirt clods, etc.
 
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