231 in a 625

[BillD]

Originally posted by sunday bill:
Someone offered a speedloader for the .45 Auto Rim case a short time ago. If you foresee the need to load in a hurry, it might be worth checkin out.

Rich

It's always nice to have a couple of speedloaders on hand. Know who was offering them?

 

[perrazi]

hks offered a speedloader at one time,don't know if they still do though. anyone trying 45 ar loads might consider using power pistol too. this has worked well for me and another easy to get bullet is the remington swaged bullets for the 45 colt. i believe it is 255gr. and is hollow based for those with large throated guns. i get a little leading when it goes to 900fps. it expands nicely at 800-850fps too.

 

[Calaveras Slim]

Originally posted by Calaveras Slim:
6.0 W231 with that bullet may a little warm. One reloader used 6.0 W231 with a 255gr and the primers flattened out. Totally.

May I suggest starting at 5.5 with W231 and working up? Check your primers and brass for over pressure. It is dangerous to start at the top and work down.

Good luck.

 

[sunday bill]

BillD, Brownells shows, in Catalog #61, page 175, part #392-100-025AB, an HKS speedloader for the 45AR and the S&W Model 25.

Others will know for sure but I would guess that might work if your grips are of the right config....

SHAPE, dang it!.

Think I might order a couple myself.

Rich

 

[Calaveras Slim]

HKS Speedloader #25 works for both auto rim and colt

 

[sunday bill]

Deleted a long-winded post that looked too much like a thread hi-jacker.

 

[BillD]

I reload .45ACP on a Dillon 650, cranking out gun game reloads.

I should be able to reload the 45 AR on this press with just a new shell plate, correct?

Thanks again.

 

[R-Tex]

Originally posted by BillD:
I reload .45ACP on a Dillon 650, cranking out gun game reloads.

I should be able to reload the 45 AR on this press with just a new shell plate, correct?

Thanks again.

Hey, BillD -

Yes, you need only the shell plate - you shouldn't even have to adjust your .45 ACP dies.

Do you happen to have the shell plate for .44 Spcl/Mag?

I reload on a Dillon 550. I found that the shell plate for .44 Spcl/Mag was ALMOST the right size for .45 AR cases. Since I'm incredibly <STRIKE>cheap</STRIKE> frugal, what I did was to VERY CAREFULLY and very slightly open up the case slots in the shell plate with a Dremel fine grinding attachment until a .45 AR case would fit. (The shell plate is still just fine for use with .44s.) Not much metal at all needs to be removed. If you don't have a Dremel, the judicious use of a rat-tailed file followed by some 400 grit wet/dry sandpaper wrapped around a dowel would do the trick.

Since the rim on the .45AR is thicker than the .44, it's necessary to back out the shellplate bolt a bit. Also, I have to loosen or remove the cartridge retaining spring/paper-clip thingy because the end of it tends to bind between the case head and the shell plate platform when I advance the shell plate. Guess I could fabricate another one without the little 90 degree bend at the end, but I don't load .45 AR all that often & when I do, I load several hundred rounds per session. I don't know if the 650 has this same set up or not.

IIRC, the locating pins for the .44 work with the .45 AR. If not, just go to the next smaller size pin.

Hope this helps some. If you do decide to try it, please let me know how it works out for you. I'd be curious to know how it works on the 650 with its auto-indexing feature.

Happy loading!

 

[Papaw]

Originally posted by BillD:

Originally posted by sunday bill:
Someone offered a speedloader for the .45 Auto Rim case a short time ago. If you foresee the need to load in a hurry, it might be worth checkin out.

Rich

In "Sixguns" Elmer Keith suggested carrying a 45ACP revolver with heavy AR handloads like you are going for and carrying half moons (full moons not available then) loaded with ACP ball for quick reloads.

 

[BillD]

Originally posted by R-Tex:

Originally posted by BillD:
I reload .45ACP on a Dillon 650, cranking out gun game reloads.

I should be able to reload the 45 AR on this press with just a new shell plate, correct?

Thanks again.

Hey, BillD -

Yes, you need only the shell plate - you shouldn't even have to adjust your .45 ACP dies.

Do you happen to have the shell plate for .44 Spcl/Mag?

I reload on a Dillon 550. I found that the shell plate for .44 Spcl/Mag was ALMOST the right size for .45 AR cases. Since I'm incredibly <STRIKE>cheap</STRIKE> frugal, what I did was to VERY CAREFULLY and very slightly open up the case slots in the shell plate with a Dremel fine grinding attachment until a .45 AR case would fit. (The shell plate is still just fine for use with .44s.) Not much metal at all needs to be removed. If you don't have a Dremel, the judicious use of a rat-tailed file followed by some 400 grit wet/dry sandpaper wrapped around a dowel would do the trick.

Since the rim on the .45AR is thicker than the .44, it's necessary to back out the shellplate bolt a bit. Also, I have to loosen or remove the cartridge retaining spring/paper-clip thingy because the end of it tends to bind between the case head and the shell plate platform when I advance the shell plate. Guess I could fabricate another one without the little 90 degree bend at the end, but I don't load .45 AR all that often & when I do, I load several hundred rounds per session. I don't know if the 650 has this same set up or not.

IIRC, the locating pins for the .44 work with the .45 AR. If not, just go to the next smaller size pin.

Hope this helps some. If you do decide to try it, please let me know how it works out for you. I'd be curious to know how it works on the 650 with its auto-indexing feature.

Happy loading!

No, I don't have the .44 shell plate. That's one of the reasons for the heavy loads in the AR. I decided it would be cheaper than buying a .44 mag that I didn't shoot very often and would help in keeping my reloading area a little less cluttered.
Thanks again for the help.

Now, I've got to get a reloading order together.

 

[Hurricane]

I load the .45 AR in a Dillon 550 using a .45 Colt bullet as I like to rollcrimp. I found that the seating die for the AR has to be backed out from the ACP setting to seat the bullet at the crimp groove.

 

[David Sinko]

I agree that 6.0 grs. of 231 will probably be a bit too much with the 255 gr. bullet. I checked my data and 5.5 grs. worked well for me. I would start at 5.0 grs., as some 255 gr. bullets need to be seated much deeper into the case than others. The Lee 255 gr. RF is a good bullet for the Auto Rim but it takes up a lot of room in the case.

I recall that using .45 AR in the .45 Colt HKS speedloaders was a hit or miss proposition. I have five speedloaders and the AR worked with only two of them.

Dave Sinko

 

[BillD]

I'm going with Unique.

 

[R-Tex]

Originally posted by BillD:
I'm going with Unique.

My all-time favorite! I have a dedicated Dillon powder bar that's set for 5.0 grains of Unique. It produces plinking loads for 9mm, .38 Spcl, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP & .45 AR without the need for piddling around with adjustments and scales.

I usually just leave the powder bar in the powder measure assembly, but if I ever need the the powder measure for other loads, I just take out the 5.0 powder bar & replace it with another that can be adjusted for whatever load I'm after. An extra powder measure assembly makes life a lot easier, particularly if you're going to reload for rifle calibers that need the larger powder bar.

Did I mention that in addition to being cheap, I'm also lazy?

 

[Calaveras Slim]

I tried the 6.0gr of W231 today, in a 45AR, behind a 255gr cast bullet. Felt good but one thing disturbs me.

The dimple from the firing pins are surrounded by a small caved in area. I am using Federal primes which are soft and this mite account for it but just wanna ask if anyone has seen this.