Mountain Man
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That's would be a great price !
.32 H&R coming back to the J frame - Ultimate Carry by Lipsey
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That's would be a great price !
I'm on waitlists at a few of my local shops for one to come in. Still torn if I'm going to go for the 632 or 432. I hope VZ offers the high-horn grips separately at some point, because I'd like the more gray grips on the 432 over the red ones that come with it.
elgatodeacero
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I really like the concept for these revolvers, but it is upsetting that the only ones for sale are $1300 on the web.
Maybe this is evidence that this concept has legs, but almost double retail is ridiculous.
Maybe this is evidence that this concept has legs, but almost double retail is ridiculous.
Mountain Man
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I think there was a post, or mention in a video, that if they sold well, there could be more on the market. I honestly think people are pricing them just like the original ones from the early 2000's hoping people are either pay up, or don't realize that there could be a decent number of them added to the market.
Jcon72
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The opportunists are doing exactly as you described. S&W has stated that they will continue making these models as long as there is demand for them, and have also hinted that there will be more models coming later that will be inspired by these. S&W may just be waking up to consumer demand...finally.
Simple supply and demand.
While the supply is short, "early adopters" (a.k.a. people who REALLY want to own the latest and greatest RIGHT NOW - whether it is for instant gratification or for bragging rights, or whatever else motivates them) will pay a premium for that privilege.
This is simple econ101 principles.
A year or two from now, a significant enough segment of the buyers who really want one will already have one, and sales will drop off - to the point that these ridiculous prices will also drop down until the 32 H&R's are comparable to the more pedestrian J-frames chambered for 5 rounds of 38 special.
Basically, the novelty will have worn off, and everyone will be competing to buy the next shiny new piece of hardware.
The only potential fly in that ointment that I see will be if S&W decides to limit production to keep them "scarce". If they choose that market strategy then all bets are off - price-wise.
FWIW, S&W benefits more from selling them in volume. They aren't the ones marking them up to ridiculous prices - the resellers are the ones who benefit from "scarcity" so it is in S&W's best interest to produce as many of them as they can sell.
JMO...
While the supply is short, "early adopters" (a.k.a. people who REALLY want to own the latest and greatest RIGHT NOW - whether it is for instant gratification or for bragging rights, or whatever else motivates them) will pay a premium for that privilege.
This is simple econ101 principles.
A year or two from now, a significant enough segment of the buyers who really want one will already have one, and sales will drop off - to the point that these ridiculous prices will also drop down until the 32 H&R's are comparable to the more pedestrian J-frames chambered for 5 rounds of 38 special.
Basically, the novelty will have worn off, and everyone will be competing to buy the next shiny new piece of hardware.
The only potential fly in that ointment that I see will be if S&W decides to limit production to keep them "scarce". If they choose that market strategy then all bets are off - price-wise.
FWIW, S&W benefits more from selling them in volume. They aren't the ones marking them up to ridiculous prices - the resellers are the ones who benefit from "scarcity" so it is in S&W's best interest to produce as many of them as they can sell.
JMO...
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pokey074
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Got mine! Dealer called this afternoon and said they got one in. Just the one I wanted too. Originally loved the grips but I'm wondering about some slightly longer ones for a little more purchase with my pinky. Trigger is much better than any stock J frame I've ever owned. Night sight is good. Cracked it open to make sure it had lube and all the manufacturing debris was cleaned out. Probably the least amount of grit I've seen too. Can't wait to shoot it tomorrow.
Using ammoseek.com and can find 2 pages of 32 H&R Mag in the 25 to 30 dollar mark, so finding ammo is not a problem
pokey074
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Got a chance to shoot today. This thing can shoot! Much more accurate than expected. Having never shot .32 H&R Mag before I was pleasantly surprised by the level of recoil. Again, much better than the .38 J frames I've owned in the past. Might have to get different grips though. As I suspected, I need a little bit longer grip for my pinkie.
Triggernosis
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I would love to see this gun with a 3-inch barrel!
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You have to have an FFL to order from Lipsey's.
There are two main types of distribution in the firearms world. The first and by far the most common is the two-tier system where the manufacturer sells to its distributors, who in turn sell to dealers. The consumer buys from the dealer.
The second type is where the manufacturer takes individual orders from consumers, who then pay the manufacturer, after which the manufacturer ships to a licensed dealer near the purchaser where the purchaser goes to comply with paperwork and background check requirements.
There are exceptions. For example, even manufacturers who sell through distributors often handle government contracts differently by selling directly to the government or agency.
The big firearms companies use the two-tier system. For ordinary commercial sales, the following handgun companies that sell only to distributors come to mind: Beretta, Colt, CZ, FN, Glock, HK, Kel-Tec, Kahr,, Ruger, SIG Sauer, Smith & Wesson, Taurus, and Walther. There are others.
And, just to clear up some other confusion that I see in a great deal of postings, sometimes more than one distributor will join forces together to get enough orders to cause a manufacturer to do a custom run of handguns. One such buying group is known as TALO.
The TALO group of distributors each obtain the number of units of the custom buy and sell to their dealers. Thus, for your local FFL to obtain a non-cataloged model purchased by the TALO group, the dealer must have an account with a distributor who is part of the TALO group.
Sorry for the length of this post, but hopefully, this clears up issues about the way the industry works.
IF they ever did it - probably a very big if - they should make it in 327 Federal so it could go up to low 357 Magnum energies for anybody who wanted it to, but still take powder puff tackdriving 32 Long wadcutters, and everything 32 in between. A 3" or longer K will fully extract a 327 Fed case - just barely, but still . . .. Maybe even make it a 7 shooter - a K frame cylinder is exactly the same diameter as the one in a Ruger Single 7 in 327 Fed.
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I visited a couple of gun shops in San Antonio before I found one that could order the 632UC for me. I paid a deposit and now am doing the waiting game!!
SGT ROCK 11B
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What puzzles me is why not .38 Special, a much more effective round in the same package?
You get an extra round in the J-frame cylinder if you opt for 32. LuckyGunner has a good, older video on some advantages of 32 in a snub too. I look forward on their thoughts on these Lipsey's guns when they can get their hands on one.
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz_m4M8CAe0[/ame]
SGT ROCK 11B
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Most people shoot the 9mm significantly better than the 45 ACP. 38 Special better than 357 Magnum. Of course that is why 22 Long Rifle is so popular.
Any 32 is easier than a 38.
SGT ROCK 11B
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As a cop I carried the Colt Detective Special as my BUG for that extra round. Also a much nicer revolver than a J Frame.
The cartridge has mostly fallen out of use due to smaller revolvers chambered in .38 Special being more effective for self-defense.*
*Barnes, Frank C. (2009). Cartridges of the World: A Complete and Illustrated Reference for Over 1500 Cartridges. Iola, Wisconsin: Gun Digest Books. pp. 283–284.
Jcon72
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They *are* making it in .38 Special as well. Two models each; 642UC and 442UC in .38 Spl, and 632UC and 432UC in .32 H&R Mag.
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Just an update, I received my 632 UC this last week. I had time to spare Saturday morning, so I went back to my gunshop and asked if they had any new guns? Well, the salesman smiled and said he had another 32 H&R magnum that just came in.
Yep, it was another 632UC and he said they are on schedule to get several more!!
Now I showed great restraint in not buying it right then!
Yep, it was another 632UC and he said they are on schedule to get several more!!
Now I showed great restraint in not buying it right then!
kbfire
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I recently got my 632 UC. The first thing I noticed was the cylinder release latch was not black. How did they miss that? I then removed side plate and it was bone dry. No lube anywhere. Also there were some burrs here and there on internal parts so I stoned lightly and smoothed everything that needed it. Lubed appropriately and now it has a very smooth action. You just don't know what you are going to get from S&W these days. I will say the grips fit perfectly but they did not make those.
