.32 hr magnum

My grand kids came to visit for a month and happily we had plenty of range time. My oldest grand son (12) had a giant grin shooting every 32 (16-4, 631, 632) I had. The grand daughter (7) loved the model 63.
Plus everyone enjoyed the Henry Lever action youth model in 22 caliber.
They did not notice Grand pa had the biggest grin of all!
 
I suppose this is where Ruger's .327 FMs come to the top of the game, so to speak. I have a nice GP100 in that caliber. I had 2, traded the Bisley 5" for a 629-6. That 327 is a great gun. Shoots all the .32s you throw in it. And dang that .327 FM is loud! I'm no scientist, but I sure would not want to be hit with a 100gr FM. I'll keep that Ruger that I have left and enjoy the S&W I got for the other one. Both 6" and weigh .25oz. different. I think the Ruger weighs .25 oz. more, but not when both are loaded.
Love that caliber in a wheel gun.
 
I suppose this is where Ruger's .327 FMs come to the top of the game, so to speak. I have a nice GP100 in that caliber. I had 2, traded the Bisley 5" for a 629-6. That 327 is a great gun. Shoots all the .32s you throw in it. And dang that .327 FM is loud! I'm no scientist, but I sure would not want to be hit with a 100gr FM. I'll keep that Ruger that I have left and enjoy the S&W I got for the other one. Both 6" and weigh .25oz. different. I think the Ruger weighs .25 oz. more, but not when both are loaded.
Love that caliber in a wheel gun.

And I'm crossing all of my fingers, and toes, that Ruger might resurrect the Marlin 1894CB rifle in .327 Fed Mag instead of the original .32 H&R Magnum, to pair with the Ruger .327 Fed. Mag revolvers.
 
This thread makes me wonder why gunmakers don't offer 32 revolvers. I would love to have a 6 shot J frame 32. (With the rear sight in a dovetail.)
Love the pictures.
 
Froggie was the chief enabler of my .32 caliber collection. It has grown to 4 guns. Two Andy Horvath customs, an 8 3/8" Model 16-4 with finish issues and lately a 6" Model 16-4 as new in the box. The 6" gun came with some .32 S&W Long reloads so I shot a bunch of them through the 8 3/8" gun at our club pin shoot last Sunday. Tons of fun and I swear there was less recoil than a .22.
 

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Even though currently have only three, the .32 may be my favorite center fire handgun caliber.
I regrettably sold a boxed prelock 332 (H&R) to a gun bud that uses as EDC.
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Top M16 has been reamed to .327 FM.
 
I'm not just an enabler seriesguy, but an addict as well. After deciding to start "thinning the herd" I had the opportunity to purchase a R***r single action (the full size one) with 32 H&R and 32-20 cylinders. Since I can resist anything but temptation, I now own another 32. ;)

Froggie
 
Didn't know what a 16-4 or 32 H&R Magnum was until I joined the forum. I only bought mine because everyone was looking for one; I figured I better join the club. Looks sexy, especially when paired with my 17-6.

Looking good, CH4! If you should stumble on a 38 Spl in the same configuration, I would suggest you "snap it up" as well. That set of revolvers represented some of the last great K frame models from S&W, IMHO. You already have the hard ones, the 38 should be much easier to find.

Froggie
 
This thread makes me wonder why gunmakers don't offer 32 revolvers. I would love to have a 6 shot J frame 32. (With the rear sight in a dovetail.)
Love the pictures.

This question has been asked here in one form or another many times, and it comes down to one answer… perceived demand.

While we enthusiasts know that we would love to have one (or 6) of them, the bean counters and market analysts don't see a broad enough demand to devote the investment of tooling, materials and line time at the factory to produce these "limited interest guns" when those same resources could produce the currently popular plastic pistols and black rifles that are being currently cranked out (and quickly sold) by the tens of thousands.

In addition, "modern" guns are more easily made by less skilled workers, so the need for highly trained gunsmiths (or even just well trained assemblers) is reduced, so the process can be done on a higher profit margin. Like it or not, the guns we hold in the highest regard are not going to be the ones the industry can make at the highest profit/cost ratio, so they're less likely to be made. More's the pity, but that's the way it is.

Froggie
 
This question has been asked here in one form or another many times, and it comes down to one answer… perceived demand.

While we enthusiasts know that we would love to have one (or 6) of them, the bean counters and market analysts don't see a broad enough demand to devote the investment of tooling, materials and line time at the factory to produce these "limited interest guns" when those same resources could produce the currently popular plastic pistols and black rifles that are being currently cranked out (and quickly sold) by the tens of thousands.

In addition, "modern" guns are more easily made by less skilled workers, so the need for highly trained gunsmiths (or even just well trained assemblers) is reduced, so the process can be done on a higher profit margin. Like it or not, the guns we hold in the highest regard are not going to be the ones the industry can make at the highest profit/cost ratio, so they're less likely to be made. More's the pity, but that's the way it is.

Froggie

The only guns in the glass cases around here are those, "currently popular plastic pistols and black rifles". For some reason they don't seem to be selling. (Probably lack of available ammo.)
Too bad someone can't take a current revolver design and drill 32-sized holes in the barrel and cylinder chambers.
 
Cuidado ! This 32/327 stuff is very addictive and unless a miracle occurs with more production or you stumble into one like duckfood did you can easily wreck your finances and eat wish sandwiches for lunch for the next 50 years.

I know from personal addiction resulting in 5 of the little buggers and I need more.��
 
The way you get them made is buy 1000 of them! But getting 1000 gun guys to agree on anything would be a Moses quality miracle!

Too many variables, frame size, frame material, barrel length, finish and which chambering!

Nope, not in a million years!

Ivan
 
I started shooting as a teenager back MANY years ago. I, early on, learned that the Smith "K" series target revolvers were about as good as it got! My father's serious shooting friends, were nearly all "Blue Collar" fellows and had limited incomes. The S&W target revolvers represented not only wonderful, accurate revolvers, but also excellent value. We had the K-.38 and eventually, both the 1950 target (.45 ACP) but the later 1955 Target (.45 ACP). I looked for YEARS for an affordable K-.32. However, I was ALWAYS behind the price curve. The low numbers of K-.32's actually made, plus demand just kept the price climbing ahead of my pocket book.

When the Ruger .32 H&R Single Six hit the market, I immediately picked one up. It was a really good revolver after I did a trigger job on it. I had the 4 5/8" barreled model and my shooting buddy, Frank Siefer, had a 6.5" barreled model. I really liked the shorter barrel for the field, but when Frank and I switched guns at the range, it was obvious to me, that the 6.5" with longer sight radius and slightly greater weight was easier to hit with. I got excellent results with my 4 5/8" but I had to work harder.

I really got into the .32 H&R as well as the .32 S&W Long using my own cast bullets and reloading. I lusted after a double action Smith, tho'. When I was attending the Indianapolis 500 gun show, I discovered the newly introduced S&W Model 631 at a VERY favorable price from one of the Distributors, there. I almost broke my arm getting to my pocket cash. The 631, when properly loaded was really accurate and a pleasant little revolver to shoot. It worked especially well in the field and was far superior on small game to the .22 rimfire. However, it was so light, that I also wanted a "K" frame, but had little hope of ever owning one. Not long after, I was at another gun show, and BEHOLD the newly released S&W 16-4 in .32 H&R appeared in front of me. What was even a bigger surprise was, again, it was offered under list price by a handgun distributor! Fortunately, I had the price in my jeans! It took it home and it passed all expectations!

I still have both handguns and both of them surpassed my expectations (notice how I repeat myself? (:>))

Federals were the sole supplier of cartridges and brass for the .32 H&R at the time. At about the same time I bought my .32's, Federal stopped supplying all components to reloaders. Grrrrrr! Further, their loaded ammo had flat out JUNK brass. Shooting the first time with factory ammo, several of the cases would split upon firing the first time. I checked my revolvers and the chambers were in specs. I complained to Federal, and got NO satisfaction.

However, I did luck out. I had a buddy who was a commercial reloader who supplied the area police departments with reloaded ammo for practice. He bought once fired brass by the barrels and he had a barrel of .32 S&W Longs once fired brass. He let me take it home and sort it by the brand. I ended up with several thousand same brand cases of .32 S&W long cases at a very favorable price. I discovered that using my home cast bullets and a proper load, my .32 H&R handguns shot like WONDERFUL!

So, for a time I used nothing but .32 S&W long cases in those .32 H&R revolvers with complete satisfaction using loads that drove a 100 gr SWC to 800-900 fps. for excellent results with almost unlimited brass life. Life was GOOD!

Then, I got word that Starline Brass was going to make a run of .32 H&R cases. I immediately called Starline, and they told me that it would be a couple of weeks. I ordered two thousand cases (figuring if Frank didn't want "his" thousand, I would gladly use them). In two weeks, my cases were delivered! Starline has been THE premium case supplier for me ever since!

So, reading all of the above, you might guess that I am a REAL fan of the .32 S&W L and the .32 H&R for both Field and Range and you would be completely correct. I have NO need for any more performance than I can get for both Field and Range. Those two loads do in all, for me, in a .32.

My S&W 16-4 and my 631 do it all for me when it comes to a .32, for sure! I will have mine until they plant me!

FWIW
Dale53
 
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I have two 32 H&R's a Ruger SSM and a CA Professional. I also have a Pre-Regulation police 32 long. Living in rural MT I have never seen a model 16-4 for sale. I have shot a few and like a fool turned down a Dan Wesson 7-32 for too much but not really crazy money. [my wife was with me, what can I say?].
My 32 long has .3124" throats, Ruger will chamber and shoot the same. CA has .314" throats so it gets powder coated bullets to build the size up to .315".
 
I've written before about my shooting buddy, Leo. He passed in May of 2020. He was a S&W collector and loved his N-frames. While in the Navy, Leo came down with MS. As his MS progressed he had to pretty much give-up shooting his N-frames, so he made the transition to the .32's.

I guess as much to pay homage to Leo and the fact that they are just plain cool, I have managed to accumulate some 16-4's - one of each barrel length, actually. Today I expanded my horizons into the J-frame realm, I just won this 45 minutes ago - if I outbid somebody here....sorry.

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I know he's smiling right now.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
A long time ago, when I first started accumulating S&W revolvers, I first learned of the legendary Model 16. One has been on my grail list ever since. Back in the late 1990s, I settled for a 6" 16-4. :rolleyes:
Its a great gun. But honestly I never really fell in love with the .32 H&R magnum. But I do still have it and will keep it as it is a collectible these days and worth far more than I paid for it.

I've told this story many times. When the arthritis in my late wife's hands got to the point where she could no longer handle the recoil of her .38, I stumbled across a nice used 2" Model 30 .32 Long at a gun show. She loved it! :D She could shoot it very well and the recoil didn't bother her at all.
This gun led me to a real fondness for the little .32s. In no time at all I added a 3" and a 4" Model 31 to my collection. I really enjoy these little guns.

Back to the 16-4. I started using this as a target gun using .32 S&W Long ammo. I was absolutely amazed! Its a wonderfully accurate gun with this ammo. I now love it! :D
Maybe I'll start experimenting with the .32 H&R loads again. They've gotten much better since I first got this gun. ;)

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Grayfox, IMHO you will need to hand load 32 H&R in order to take advantage of both accuracy and performance available. I'm hoping Dale53 will help me get my newly acquired R***r Blackhawk in this caliber sorted out and a good load developed next week when we work with it.

Froggie
 
Some day I should probably crawl out of my cave and learn to post pictures but by the time I dug around in the safes looking for what I wanted to post, the thread would be stagnant. I see so many beautiful pictures on the forum. I found that over the years, I have evolved from bloodied and bruised from shooting heavy magnum loadings to calibers like the .32. I liked it so much that I ended up with several. Unfortunately, only two Smiths, a 16-4 and a four inch 631. Most of what I stumbled onto were Rugers, including a Buckeye convertible and a consecutively serial numbered pair of full sized Vaquero convertibles .32-20/.32 mag., along with a single six with the birds head grip. They are all a treat to shoot and very accurate. I hope that this is not an age based progression, if that's the case, there are only .22's in my future.
 
I started yesterday morning out by going to the range with my Silhouette 44 mag at 100yds. Older eyes and less time behind the gun, my groups opened up a little, but all rounds shot would have killed a deer! Next up was a 7mm TCU Contender(couldn't find the paper- I need to bore sight the gun) and next was a 223 on the Contender, need to bore scope the gun/scope also! After lunch I took my 16-4(32L, 32 H&R Mag, & 327 Fed Mag) out in my back yard range for a work out. 30yds max and all three calibers. The 16-4 was more fun than any of the others.
jcelect
 
Great thread guys...keep it up!! I too have a fondness for most all things .32 (revolver wise). Currently I have a pair of Rugers, one a bird's head and the other a 5-1/2" bbl'd. Single-Six. Both are superb shooters and get a lot of time while out with my pointer on our daily sojourns. The third is a 4" bbl'd, Smith Model 16-4 that may be the most accurate handgun I own.

Trouble is...it's too heavy...why Smith elected to send it to market with a full lugged bbl. I'll never guess...but for me (and I'm probably alone in this), it's just too heavy for all day carry in a good OWB holster. You can point out that it's just not that much different from a 4" 586 in .357, but heck...it's a .32 and doesn't need that extra bulk.

All of that notwithstanding, I'd be a happy camper if it were offered (sans IL) in a K frame and without the lug. Hell, I'd buy a cpl of them just to see the grins on my grand-daughters faces at Christmas.

Lastly....Dale53 has a few great...and I mean GREAT...loads in both .32 Long and .32 H&R that will please you all...how 'bout it Dale...post 'em. I've run both of them through all of my .32's will superb results. That .32 Long offering with RCBS' 98-100 up front is especially good in all three of my .32 H&R's and as good in a pre-war Colt Police Positive.

Best regards, Rod
 
Rod , it may be the extra weight on the full lug barrel is what adds to the accuracy.
 
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