325 PD UPDATE: YOU GUYS WONT BELIVE IT!

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So after the price check yesturday and all the advice to "go for it" I am back at the pawn shop on lunch. The gun comes with no box or paper work and the blade in rear sight is a little loose. So i used all that to bargain. Offered him $450 plus tax. He said it comes out to $486.00 out the door and Ill do it. So ill get some pictures cause i got to get more cash and come back after work today. He didnt even want a deposit he said ill hold till you come back. I think I got a great deal for a 325 pd and it doesnt need moon clips neither for under $500 otd. The gun is tight and looks perfect other than loose sight blade.
 
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daddio202 said:
I think I got a great deal for a 325 pd and it doesnt need moon clips neither...
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Yesterday you were asking about a 325 PC and today it's a 325 PD - which is it? Either way it still needs moon clips. Will it work without them? Sometimes, in some chambers, with some ammo - but it was designed to work 100% only with moon clips, anything else is fortuitous happenstance.

PC or PD, you still got a heck of a deal. You'll grow to love moon clips - for the .45 ACP guns they are a piece of cake.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
Under $500? You stole it. You can sell it for $1K+ on Gunbroker today. Let's see some pics the minute you pick it up.

You will need moon clips regardless. Will it work without them? Sometimes. You definitely need them. Which is a good thing. Moon clips are awesome. I have had almost every revolver I own cut for moon clips. Moon clips are the fastest way to load and unload a revolver, Period!
 
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Sorry for all the confusion yesterday I thought it was a 325 pc because it had the gold bead front sight and only looked through glass at it. Definitely is a 325 pd with grey cylinder. The guy told me it works with out moon clips. He proceeded to pull out his 45 and take a bullet out of the clip. He inserted the bullet in a chamber gun facing down and it stood well up out of the chamber. Probably an 1/8 of an inch. He was the one telling me that it did not require the use of moon clips. He may be wrong as I know nothing of 45 revolvers but it sure looked like it didn't need anything to keep it from slipping down into chamber?
 
I did note the chamber had no recession what so ever. I do not know if cylinder faces are recessed for use with moon clips but this cylinder face looks just like in a 38 special like a model 64 or model 14 just bigger holes. No big deal either way I will just have to buy some clips if it is needed. Also need some nice wood grips I don't care for the rubber jobs even in 44 mag I have targets on.
 
daddio202 said:
He was the one telling me that it did not require the use of moon clips. He may be wrong as I know nothing of 45 revolvers but it sure looked like it didn't need anything to keep it from slipping down into chamber?
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Smith and Wesson revolvers chambered for rimless auto loading cartridges are designed to headspace on the moon clip.

9 times out of 10, a S&W revolver chambered in a rimless cartridge will sufficiently headspace against the cylinder throat and fire.

This is not a design feature of the revolver, it is luck of the draw.

BTW, Congratulations on a smoking deal.
 
colt_saa said:
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9 times out of 10, a S&W revolver chambered in a rimless cartridge will sufficiently headspace against the cylinder throat and fire.

This is not a design feature of the revolver, it is luck of the draw.

BTW, Congratulations on a smoking deal.
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Might there not also be an issue with ejecting the empties?
 
I ordered some clips from T K customs and a very gracious member is going to send me a couple. Be easier to load and especially unload that way. Thanks to everybody for having me go for it. I got a great deal!!
 
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damienph said:
Good deal for you daddio! What is the difference between the PC and PD? Both Scandium but PD has Titanium cylinder and PC is Steel?
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Yep that is main difference, usually pd has fiber optic front sight and pc has gold bead not mine hence all the confusion
 
I'd make sure to keep the rubber grips handy. Shooting 45 ACP in a gun that light produces some serious recoil. I bought the 2.75" barrel version earlier this year and bought a new set of grips after the first trip to the range. I prefer the looks of the wood, but they have been tucked away in the box since then. I also replaced the rear V notch sight with a regular square notch sight from MidwayUSA and have also bought a new front sight to be installed at some time in the near future(I dislike the fiber optic front sight).
 
daddio202 said:
Sorry for all the confusion yesterday I thought it was a 325 pc because it had the gold bead front sight and only looked through glass at it. Definitely is a 325 pd with grey cylinder. The guy told me it works with out moon clips. He proceeded to pull out his 45 and take a bullet out of the clip. He inserted the bullet in a chamber gun facing down and it stood well up out of the chamber. Probably an 1/8 of an inch. He was the one telling me that it did not require the use of moon clips. He may be wrong as I know nothing of 45 revolvers but it sure looked like it didn't need anything to keep it from slipping down into chamber?
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He is wrong.
 
daddio202 said:
Here is some pics.
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No no, that's the one that is only worth $300!

LOL. Just kidding. You did well. I just hope you like shooting it. That is like a 20oz gun! Recoil will be pretty stout! I have a couple of 4" all steel 45ACP S&W revolvers. The weigh more than twice what the 325PD does. They still have a nice bit of kick. Let us know what you think.
 
I may have a square notch rear blade in my future also. I'm gonna shoot it a little before I make any changes. I definately like the gold bead front sight that will be staying. Maybe a lock delete? Maybe some wood grips? I now do realize I need moon clips for sure so some are on the way. Once again I just have to thank you all for your support, information, tips, help and even the jokes are great! I am not somebody that spends any time on computers with any social media or anything. But this is the greatest site ever!!:D
 
I had one just like that and liked it a lot. Recoil was stiff, a good whack in the hand when it sends that 230gr down range
 
Yup, great deal- congrats. I love my 625 and would have jumped at that deal and asked forgiveness later from "she who must be obeyed"

Seriously my wife would frown, but wouldn't complain. I am a blessed man for 34+ years
 
My wife does not condone the buying of many guns. She is wonderful and I have received forgiveness when I have been caught. I try not to buy but the great deals I find cannot be passed up. I must refrain from even going into a gun sales building for at least a month or 2 after this past 5 weeks and 3 guns.
 
Your 325PD will shoot just fine without moon clips. You'll just need to punch the empties out with a dowel or wooden pencil. [emoji16]

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colt_saa said:
Smith and Wesson revolvers chambered for rimless auto loading cartridges are designed to headspace on the moon clip.

9 times out of 10, a S&W revolver chambered in a rimless cartridge will sufficiently headspace against the cylinder throat and fire.

This is not a design feature of the revolver, it is luck of the draw.

BTW, Congratulations on a smoking deal.
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I don't know about the new stuff, but all of the old 45acp revolvers I own will work without moon clips.These include model 1917's from Colt and S&W, a model 1950 (pre-26), model 1955 (pre-25) and a 625-2. They are all head spaced to work to work that way. Because the cartridge is rimless, the extractor won't work, and the empties have to poked out with pencil or the like. Some the earliest production Colt models we're not head spaced and had to use clips, or the cartridges would slide straight through. These were returned to be altered and reissued. I believe that the head spacing was a S&W innovation, and the government mandated that Colt copy the design feature for their guns. BTW, consider a BMT moon clip tool for loading and unloading the clips. They are the best of the breed and also the most expensive, but you'll forget the cost after you use it.
 
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I'm not sure whether the new .45ACP revolvers are intended to fire without moon clips, but I own two and they do. Even loading them, they feel much different from my 25-2, but they do work. NEVER had one fail to fire.
 
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