357: K vs N Frame

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Ok, I'm on the hunt for my next revolver. Finding that Model 36 last month didn't kill the itch.

I'd like to add a 357 to my collection. I have 2 38's, so a 357 could share ammo with the other revolvers. One is a Model 10 with a 5" barrel and the other is a Model 36 with the snub nose barrel. I think I'll look for a 357 with a 5" barrel.

From Supica, I narrowed it down to a K-frame Model 19 or an N-frame Model 27 (or 28). I'd like to hear from people who have shot both: is there a big difference between the two in your hand? Is the K-frame 357 riskier because of the smaller frame?

Thanks for your help.
 
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yes there is a difference in hand between the N and K

No need to worry about the 357 in the K frame.....unless you've just ran out of things to worry about.

I'd suggest you do what most everybody else on here has done........buy several of both sizes
 
Below is a picture of three SB frame sizes for a 357 Mag. They look very alike until the obvious differences like cylinders are compared closely.

Your best option for comparison is to go to a favorite gun shop or gun show so you can handle all three frames. Everyone has their own preferences based on their likes and needs. Ya just can't make a bad choice with S&W...

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I have both K and N frame 357 magnums, model 19's, model 27's and 28's.

The only difference between the model 28 and 27 is the finish and checkered top strap and barrel rib. I like both models very well. My favorite is the 3.5 inch model 27.
If you are set on a 5 inch barrel it will have to be a model 27. I have one of those as well and it shoots and handles great.

Shooting 357 full power loads out of an N frame is not bad as the gun is rather heavy. You will notice recoil more from a K frame with full loads.
 
Ok, I'm on the hunt for my next revolver. Finding that Model 36 last month didn't kill the itch.

I'd like to add a 357 to my collection. I have 2 38's, so a 357 could share ammo with the other revolvers. One is a Model 10 with a 5" barrel and the other is a Model 36 with the snub nose barrel. I think I'll look for a 357 with a 5" barrel.

From Supica, I narrowed it down to a K-frame Model 19 or an N-frame Model 27 (or 28). I'd like to hear from people who have shot both: is there a big difference between the two in your hand? Is the K-frame 357 riskier because of the smaller frame?

Thanks for your help.
I know it's not what you asked, but maybe an L Frame would be a good compromise. With the same grip frame as the K, it would probably be more comfortable for most people (including myself) than the N Frame, while providing a stronger platform.
Chris
 
I know it's not what you asked, but maybe an L Frame would be a good compromise. With the same grip frame as the K, it would probably be more comfortable for most people (including myself) than the N Frame, while providing a stronger platform.
Chris

This.

If you are buying it to shoot magnums, naturally the N frames will be your most durable models. The L frames were designed to overcome some problems that may or may not occur from feeding a K frame a steady diet of magnums. The L frame cylinder is just about the same as the Colt Python which is more robust than a K frame (frame structure- wise) and the speedloaders for the six-shooters fit either the L frame or the Colt.

As far as grip size, the L frames utilize K frame grip dimensions and the N's are slightly larger. I am one of the few who apparently doesn't mind shooting magnums through my N frames with the standard checkered target grips. The 41's and 44's are another story, but I don't have large hands and the factory grips have always worked for me with the three five sevens.
 
i have all 3 sizes (k,l,n) and i must say i like the l frame the best, it just fits my hand better
 
I'm a big fan of the N frames for Magum rounds and the Model 28-2 in 4 inch is a great revolver and is virtually the same as the 27-2 except for the flat blue finish, no top strap checkering, and the 4 inch 27-2 is a fairly rare revolverand much more expensive.

All that said you can't go wrong with a 586/686 series as the L frame is also a great choice.
 
I think it comes down, in part, to what you plan to do with the gun. Punch holes in paper, concealed carry, home defense? Hunting maybe, or tackle box gun? There are just so many good reasons to have more different guns!
 
My advice is to try all three size frames. The K,L and N. I have all three of them. Depending on the size of your hands this will help you choose the revolver that feel good to you and you can shoot well. While the N frame is the most comfortable shooting 357s if you have small hands you might have trouble with reaching the trigger. I do because I have very small hands. The L frame does have the same grip size as the K frame but with the full underlug the revolver tends to be muzzle heavy. I shoot the K frame magnum the best. But that does not mean its the best revolver. That depends on you. Again, try them all.
Regards,
Howard
 
Good advice here.

The best advice though.................buy,or plan on buying all three frame sizes...........you're gonna want to do it anyway!!!

Seriously, the K-Frame have a bonafied history of SOME revolvers splitting the forcing cones with use of full-house 125 grain .357 Magnum loads. BUT, a lot have not and some judicious shooters stick with 158 grain and 140 grain loads.

The L-Frames handle excellent and will handle any safe .357 Magnum load.

The N-Frames handle well also but some folks with smaller hands go for smaller sized grips. Of course the N-Frames will also handle any save .357 magnum loads as well.

Recoil of full-house .357 loads in a K-Frame revolver will be more pronounced than in the other two. But it can be learned to handle it well.

I own all three frame sizes and have yet to decide on a favorite. However for all around "field" use I do lean towards the L-Frames.
 
Presently, I own four .357s, two Ns and two Ks (4" 27, 6" 28, 4" 66, and 2 1/2" 19). In my opinion there are very significant differences between the Ns and the Ks. The Ns are much bulkier and heavier guns than the Ks. They are superior at absorbing recoil for that reason. Shooting 158gr. Magnums through my 28 is a snap, I barely notice the gun's recoil. My wife, who shies away from any gun that "hurts her hand" loves firing magnums from my 28. I find that Ns can be fired very accurately partly because recoil is not an issue. Muzzle rise is less with an N than with a lighter gun and, thus, it's easier to get an N back on target after a round is fired.

But, Ns have their disadvantages, too. Their bulk, which is a big asset when dealing with recoil, makes them ungainly and awkward to carry. Strap an N on your hip and you'll feel it quickly. Walking around with one of those all day long would be quite wearing. I've carried my 4" 27 for short periods. An hour or two is all I can take before the discomfort associated with lugging that mass becomes unpleasant. Another disadvantage with the Ns is that the trigger is, in my opinion, inherently heavier on an N than on a lighter gun. Stands to reason, rotating the cylinder while the trigger is drawn back requires much greater inertia to overcome due to the mass of the N-frame cylinder.

My Ks are relatively light and, because they are light, they constitute true carry options. As I type this I'm wearing my 19. I can carry that gun all day long without discomfort. My Ks have better triggers than my Ns, for the reason that I discussed (less mass in the cylinder).

But, they also have their disadvantages. One definitely feels the recoil associated with firing magnums through a K. 15-20 rounds is the maximum my hand and wrist will take from firing either my 66 or my 19. One problem associatedwith firing magnums through a K is that the muzzle flip produced by the round makes it difficult to quickly reacquire the target. I can shoot my Ns for accuracy, using magnums, much more rapidly than I can my Ks, also shooting magnums.

I've had to make a compromise in order to carry one of these revolvers. My primary carry piece is my 19. I carry strictly .38 Special with this gun. Yes, it has the potential for firing magnums. But, it wouldn't be practical for me to carry magnum rounds in this gun for defense. First, the 2 1/2" barrel isn't going to allow magnums to acquire nearly their peak velocity. Much energy will be dissapated as a consequence of the short barrel. Second, the recoil is so much that reacquiring the target firing magnums would be difficult.

What you choose ultimately depends on how you intend to use the gun. For range work and, perhaps, hunting, I'd go with the N. For carry, a K, hands down.
 
For packing a K frame is best.

For shooting the N frame is best.

Bear in mind that all L frames are post P&R if this matters to you.
 
The 19 and 27's are both classic S&W's. I am partial to the 27 but you might want to "feel" both in your hands. If you like the 19 and will settle for a 4" barrel, try to find one with a pinned barrel and recessed cylinder. (sometime after 19-2 they were no longer available but don't have the book in front of me). Similarly for a 27. Some would say every loyal S&W enthusiast should have an example of Bill Jordan's gun in his/her collection. Kind of a toss up best resolved by your personal shooting preference. Ed
 
Since you already have a J-frame Model 36, and a K-frame Model 10 in .38 S&W Special caliber, your next acquisition ought to be an N-frame in .38/.357 as well. I'd go with nicest Model 27 you can afford, unless you happen upon a Model 28 in like new condition. Both the 27 and 28 are true classics and you cannot go wrong with either one.
 
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