.38 shotshells from cci

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As long as I've got my cookie blocks off I'll ask another question. Since I usually had a .45 under my arm, I carried my .38 with one or two snake shot rounds. You know the CCI shotshells with #9 shot. I've never had to fire one, and haven't been to a range since I got 'em. Anyone have anything good or bad to say about 'em. Effective range, pattern spread, barrel leading, anything at all. Forgot to mention, out of a 2 1/2" J frame mod 36.
Thanks.
 
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As long as I've got my cookie blocks off I'll ask another question. Since I usually had a .45 under my arm, I carried my .38 with one or two snake shot rounds. You know the CCI shotshells with #9 shot. I've never had to fire one, and haven't been to a range since I got 'em. Anyone have anything good or bad to say about 'em. Effective range, pattern spread, barrel leading, anything at all. Forgot to mention, out of a 2 1/2" J frame mod 36.
Thanks.
 
I wish you good luck with them. I'd suggest if you want to feel confident, test fire a fair number at cardboard or butcher paper at the ranges you expect to get a pattern.

They used to even market just the shot cups, which you could fill with shot of your choice and then load into your own cases. I used #9 shot (because I could just rob it from 12 ga shells.) Wow was it bad. OK, terrible is a better term.

I loaded up a full 50 of them and took them to a gravel pit owned by a club I belong to. It was spring of 1986, and I can date it because a very good friend had a heart attack in the fall of 1985. He wasn't allowed to do any constructive work, but had to be with the guys. I gave him my trusty M60 and the full box of them. He was instructed to shoot the blackbirds trying to roost above our covered patio (they crapped on the picnic table.)

We were out in the back 40, putting up a fence. Every so often we'd hear the M60 speak, and we knew Grady was OK. After a few hours in the sun we retreated to the patio to check on him and maybe have a cold drink (soda, I'm sure.) By then, he'd fired all 50. We were interested in his shooting skill, and more specifically, how the shot loads had faired.

His answer was not good. He had been trying them at 20 and 30 feet without much luck. The gunshots did manage to keep the birdies flying, but they all seemed to fly off, none the worse.
Finally, on his last shot be decided to stalk. He got under a near by tree and had one land on a limb over his head. At 6' he shot it. It fell to the ground, but was trying to get up, so he stepped on it.

Maybe it was my loading skill that failed me. Maybe not, I did use the recommended load.

I have used Speer loaded 9mm shot shells and they're both hot and kind of effective on the behinds of raccoons and 'possum. Also on my downspout on the covered part of my deck.

Like with most loads, check how they work to satisfy yourself first.
 
I use # 7 1/2 with pretty good results at 15 feet or less. If birds were involved I'd use .45 LC which really increases the amount of shot and extends the effective range.

There was a really good review in one of the shooting magazines recently but I can't remember which one. Do some Googles...

Also, I too cut open 12 guage shells to get the shot and with the increase of shot prices I'm not sure which way is cheaper.
 
A number of years ago, I killed a pretty good-sized rattler outside my front door with a .38 shotshell (Speer, CCI, same thing? - I don't recall offhand), fired from a 2.5" Model 66. The distance was about 3-5 feet. Not only did it blow that snake's head off, it apparently vaporized it, as I was never able to find the head (or any part of it). I'd have to say that the factory snake/shot loads are pretty effective at close range for their intended purpose. Never tried using the shot cups and reloading, only the factory-made stuff.
 
I have shot them out of my 442 and they patterned ok on cans and paper out to about 12 feet. After that it was pretty opened up. It is fun to hit a few hand thrown clays with though.
 
Rifle or Handloader from several years back did a thorough article on handgun snake loads.

With the Speer, about 6 feet is the max for snakes, the pattern with #9's is not very dense. Load up the shot capsules with #12's and it's a different story, very dense patterns out to 8 feet.

Best factory shot load I've used is the (discontinued) crimped Remington (#12 shot) for the .45 ACP, it's a snake killer. Feeds and ejects from a 1911, not for revolvers though.

The CCI .22 shot load kills as well as anything.
 
They can incapacitate a snake at up to 10 ft or so, a double tap may be nec. Then you often have to finish the job for a mercy kill.
 
Nearly 30 years ago I bought several boxes of the Speer .38 shot shell and tested them in a 4" Model 64. The patterns pretty consistently opened up about one inch for every foot of range. Pattern density fell off rapidly, of course. I figured they'd be okay on snakes at five feet or less but beyond that I'd probably be better off with wadcutters.
 
I have killed a lot of snakes with CCI shotshells, I load them with #8, shot from a 4" .38 or .357, they work great for me out to about 10 or 15 feet. the closer you are, the more hits of course & them being coiled up helps too. if the snake is streched out, you need to be close. at close range they will shread a coiled snake !
 
years ago, I was probably around 16 at the time, we had some rats move into a bank in our yard, my Dad and I used a water hose to flush them from their holes, between me with my Smith and Wesson M15, four inch shooting the shot shells and my dalmation we got them all. The shot shells did great work on the rats, and since then I have always kept a six pack of them around.
 
I have had great luck with the factory loads in larger, 44. and 45. , on snakes at closer range which is why we carry them. Mostly I have been semi-airborn when I fired .
 
Several of the posters have it right.

# 12 shot makes the loads MUCH more effective than the #9 shot.

I chose #11, because I wanted to go for a little more shot weight, while improving the pattern density. Works great.

My .45 Colt shot loads (#11 shot) have a bunch more shot, but don't pattern as tightly, maybe due to the 5 1/2" barrel on the .45 revolver, vs 2 1/2" for the .38's.

Ballistic Products is a company that supplies the tiny #12, and #11 shot. It is almost unobtainable elsewhere.

Inside ten feet, a snake is toast, they're dead right there,go completely limp; no writhing around, and chomping on your dog.
 
I had an old TC Contender with a 10" barrel .410/.45LC, and it did great with 3" shells on flying birds, clay pigeons, or running rabbits at short range. The revolver shotshells always seem to have such a short range, you might as well use a stick. I can't believe I sold that old TC Contender, it was a lot of fun and the newer Contenders are much longer and bulkier.
 
JohnK gave you the answer. #12 or #11 shot. Pattern density is considerably better. I load in 44 Special for when I am Prairie Dog shooting in SD. I had one experience with the CCI .45 ACP shot loads, after I fired two rounds the third lost it's little plastic cover and the shot all leaked out into my 1911 and effectively locked it up. I also obtained my #12 from Ballistic Products. It's pricey, but a 10 lb bag lasts about forever.
 
We get a fair number of moccasins. The .38 shot shells from 2.5" and 4" guns work very well out to 15' or so. I've heard folks say the .22s aren't effective, but that's not my experience. They;ve been completely effective up to 10' from handguns. Normally takes more than one to kill, but they do work.

The advantage of the .22 is that it rarely damages anything other than the snake - I've shot them off of the house, and PVC and copper pipe without any damage.
 
Thanks for all the responses. As I said, I only wanted them around to deal with snakes. I kept the .38 loaded with 2 shotshells and 3 hardball. I figured that could take care of any 'snakes' crawlies or on 2 feet.
While I reload hardball, I've never looked at the shotshells for reloading. Didn't seem like I'd ever use enough to make it worth the bother. Are you using standard hardball dies, or something specially made for shotshells?
Thanks,
 
I have loaded a "peck" shotloads using the various caliber Speer shot capsules. #12 is FAR superior for pattern density (as several here have stated). At the distances that they are effective (max 15 feet) the light weight of the #12 shot is not germain. Penetration is more than adequate for snakes and rats at 15 feet. They are not very good for small game. It is too difficult to get to within their effective range.

.22 magnum factory shot cartridges do a good job, also.

Snakes are not dangerous when they are fifteen feet away, so the short range capability is not a problem (15 feet and closer they are toast!).

You can easily shoot a snakes head off with a good pistol or revolver loaded with conventional ammo. However, on rocky ground, where you might get a ricochet back in your teeth (not good!),the shot much reduces the danger where the rattlers lurk...

Dale53
 
How would these shells work in a 642 with a 1 7/8" barrel?
There are two nice lakes in the community where we live, and we also have our share of the nasty snake breeds.
Got a new Loomis rod and Shimano reel I'm getting ready to try out, and would like to keep the nasties at bay if need be.
 
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