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Hey all you ammo guru's, got a question for ya! I have a disability that affects both my hands and arms. I would like to know if y'all have any suggestions for a carry ammo in .38spl that is not +P and a grain that will still be effective? Also, want the grain to be available in target ammo for practicing. Thanks in advance, DuckBeav.:D
 
Hoping to stay in my lane here. You may wish to consider any of the major manufacturers' version of the standard pressure 158 grain semi-wadcutter .38 Special bullet. If memory serves me correctly, NYPD used this non-hollowpoint bullet after switching from the 158 grain round nose lead long ago. You have a somewhat blunt nose that will contribute to tissue upset/displacement. If I were traveling to a state that prohibited hollow-point point bullets, I would have no reservations with the 158 SWC.

If I'm wrong, someone will be along to correct me.

HTH.

JPJ.
 
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Hoping to stay in my lane here. You may wish to consider any of the major manufacturers' version of the standard pressure 158 grain semi-wadcutter .38 Special bullet. If memory serves me correctly, NYPD used this non-hollowpoint bullet after switching from the 158 grain round nose lead long ago. You have a somewhat blunt nose that will contribute to tissue upset/displacement. If I were traveling to a state that prohibited hollow-point point bullets, I would have no reservations with the 158 SWC.

If I'm wrong, someone will be along to correct me.

HTH.

JPJ.
There will be a lot of advice come along on this topic, but perhaps none better than this. Plain old 158 SWC non +P. Might try two or three different brands. One may be more accurate than the others. Practice until you shoot it well.
 
Ok, I took a look at some Federal 38spl, 158gr SWC and this information was stated in the descriptions. While not a +P, would it be safe in my older Model 60 and Model 10?

"This particular version of Federal 38 Special ammo features a 158 Grain Lead Semi-Wadcutter bullet and it is loaded extra hot, therefore it is recommended that before purchasing, consumer check that the intended firearm is law enforcement grade or otherwise please consult with the gun manufacturer prior to purchasing this ammunition.

Notice it says, loaded extra hot.
 
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My favorite low recoil ammo for the J-frame was the Federal 125gr Nyclad, but they've been out of production for a few years now. I'm still hoarding the couple of boxes I have left.

The 130gr Defend JHP ammo from Winchester looks promising. It's a standard pressure, low velocity round. I've been wanting to try it, but every time I went looking I couldn't find it.

Hornady makes some HP rounds in this category, but I'm not familiar with them. Perhaps others will chime in.

So, if I were in your position, I would probably go with 148gr midrange target wadcutters. Low recoil, capable of cutting a good wound channel (especially if you can find hardcast wadcutters), and minimal risk for overpenetration, compared to other non-HP bullets. They're also easier to find than the aforementioned HP loads.

The biggest downside is that they may be difficult to reload under stress. Fortunately, reloads are very rare in self defense encounters so it's not likely to be needed, but you could always try reloading them to see if it would be an issue or not, or carry ammo with a more rounded/angular profile as your reload.

I will add one caution. There will likely be some people who will recommend Buffalo Bore's "standard pressure" loads. The problem is that they still generate +P velocities, which also means they will generate +P recoil, which has been proven to be the case in my experience. I would caution against them if you're looking for a low recoil load.

I would also recommend doing a search of the forum as this topic has been discussed many, many times.
 
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Ok, I took a look at some Federal 38spl, 158gr SWC and this information was stated in the descriptions. While not a +P, would it be safe in my older Model 60 and Model 10?

"This particular version of Federal 38 Special ammo features a 158 Grain Lead Semi-Wadcutter bullet and it is loaded extra hot, therefore it is recommended that before purchasing, consumer check that the intended firearm is law enforcement grade or otherwise please consult with the gun manufacturer prior to purchasing this ammunition.

Notice it says, loaded extra hot.

Are you sure it was Federal factory ammo? It sounds more like one of the boutique brands, like Underwood or Buffalo Bore, than something from Federal.
 
"I would also recommend doing a search of the forum as this topic has been discussed many, many times."

I'm not looking for a discussion or debate on the various ammos out there. I'm just wanting something safe for my older guns and at a standard pressure that I can handle with my disability. I tried some +P's in my 642 and they hurt my hand and arm pretty good! LOL! :-)
 
Are you sure it was Federal factory ammo? It sounds more like one of the boutique brands, like Underwood or Buffalo Bore, than something from Federal.
Yes sir, I copied that straight from the description.:) It was a Federal ammunition white box.
 
I Googled the description and I think I found the ammo you were talking about. From Target Sports USA?

If the specs listed are correct, the MV is 760fps, which would put it in standard pressure territory, so it shouldn't be an issue for you or gun. I don't know why they would say it's "loaded extra hot" when it isn't, other than marketing hype.

But, if you have any doubts, don't get it. Find something else. There are plenty of options for 158gr SWC if that's what you want.
 
I have similar issues - severe arthritis and cancer metastasis in shoulders (both demand replacing, if they could) and chemo side effect neuropathy.

I found that my Ruger SP101 needed a set of Hogue grips to tame the recoil.
I shoot Winchester Ranger 125g Bonded HP +P which has less felt recoil than I see from Federal American Eagle 158g FMJ in the SP101.
 
"I would also recommend doing a search of the forum as this topic has been discussed many, many times."

I'm not looking for a discussion or debate on the various ammos out there. I'm just wanting something safe for my older guns and at a standard pressure that I can handle with my disability. I tried some +P's in my 642 and they hurt my hand and arm pretty good! LOL! :-)

Good point, but pretty much every time this question gets asked it turns into a discussion/debate. It's just the nature of the topic. I imagine this thread will go that route before too long. Welcome to the Internet. :D
 
I Googled the description and I think I found the ammo you were talking about. From Target Sports USA?

If the specs listed are correct, the MV is 760fps, which would put it in standard pressure territory, so it shouldn't be an issue for you or gun. I don't know why they would say it's "loaded extra hot" when it isn't, other than marketing hype.

But, if you have any doubts, don't get it. Find something else. There are plenty of options for 158gr SWC if that's what you want.

Yes sir, that's the stuff! I was just concerned on that wording. I'm not generally a revolver guy so, I don't doubt your experience and appreciate the time to help me!:D I'm shopping around and that price looked decent.
 
Honestly. 148 gr wadcutters cut good holes, penetrate to FBI standard and are light shooting and accurate. I use 135gr sb jhp +p Speer but when I broke my hand and was going through pt. That is what I used. As I get older I may go back to it. Read up about it. Jim Cirillo talks about wadcutters.
 
Federal Gold Match 148gr hollow base wadcutters. #1 low recoil option that still cuts a good, straight hole and penetrates enough. S&B, Fiocchi, and a few others make target wadcutters, but I get my wife the best to feed her snubbies. The fact that they are accurate as heck in every .38/.357 she shoots doesn't hurt either.

Her reloads are Remington green box 158gr lead semi-wadcutter standard pressure. Easier to load then full wadcutters and a little bit more recoil.

There are other options, but those above are what works for us.
 
Many years ago, I started carrying with 148gr full wadcutters.
Then I got talked into 158gr semi wadcutters.
But I handloaded back then and they were cheap(er).
Today I would still buy more full wadcutters if I could find em bulk and less costly.
I think either load would work well for you.
That said the semi wadcutters may be easier to find.
Just my opinion.
 
I want to thank all of you for taking the time to help a member out! It is greatly appreciated whether I went with your suggestion or not! I ended up ordering some 158gr Semi wadcutters that I found a good deal on. I'll give them a try and then I want to try some of the 148gr ones. I'll post a follow up report after a few sessions at the range. Much thanks, DuckBeav out!
 
@OP,

I second the suggestion about the 148gr wadcutters. The upside to this round is the low recoil and the wound channel created by the bullet. On a few occasions, I have used wadcutters in PPC matches. The downside is that they can be slow to reload. I would not use wadcutters in a speedstrip when carrying for self defense. I have also found that a wadcutter reload from HKS speedloaders can be slow, since there is a high degree of play in the speedloaders when holding any cartridge. I found that Safariland speedloaders held cartridges with less play and provided a faster reload than the HKS speedloaders, but not as fast as when reloading conventional hollow points, round nose, or semiwadcutter ammo.

Compared to semi wadcutters, the recoil of a full wadcutter round will be a mouse fart! Wadcutter target ammo from the big 3 will be expensive, figure about $30 a box, but can be easily replicated by handloading. The other downside is that the swaged wadcutter target ammo from the big 3 can't be counted on to break/shatter bone like a hardcast wadcutter, but will inflict significant soft tissue damage.
 
Double Tap makes a 148 gr hard cast wadcutter that they show getting 740 fps from a 2in barrel. This is about midway between the main factory version, and the Buffalo Bore, which is listed as 850 fps from the same 2in barrel.

38 Special MATCH 148gr. Full WADCUTTER 20rds

I would like to use this ammo, but I can't shoot it at my indoor range. Must be metal clad. I use Federal 130 gr HST micro, which are hollow point wadcutters. Jacketed, therefor, I can use at the range. I practice with 125gr plated reloads, loaded at standard pressure. The HST are plus P and may be too much for your hands. I have hand and wrist problems, so only shoot a few of the HST ammo. Too pricy to shoot more, in any case. My reloads are 158 gr hard cast SWC, but they are heavy plus P Buffalo Bore. I load them for woods carry. Need pain meds if I shoot those!

Best,
Rick
 
For many years my carry pistol was a .45ACP full-size 1911 pistol. Over the past year or so I have had serious shoulder surgery on one side, pending surgical intervention for ulnar neuropathy on the other side, and osteo-arthritis has become a daily grind (literally). Grip strength, handling the weight, recoil, and constant pain have required that I make some changes.

My solution has been a 2" S&W Model 64 .38 Special revolver loaded with standard pressure semi-wadcutters. I can't do multiple-hour sessions at the range, like I used to enjoy, but I feel pretty well armed for daily life in modern America.

Best regards.
 
Sgammo.com has several brands of 148 gr wadcutters, the high end Federals are great. These are light recoiling, accurate, and the only downside is wadcutters are difficult to use when reloading. For this reason, I’d load the gun with the 148 gr wadcutters and carry an extra speed strip or two loaded with a jacketed round of some sort just in case.


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I had a 642 with stock and then laser grips but sold it for the same reason. It was very hard on my old hands. Then I went to a 360j which is a 38 but has a longer and softer grip material. It was a VAST improvement over the 642 in shooting comfort.
I then got a Taurus M85 that replaced the 360j that weighs 23oz and I can shoot +p ammo all day without any discomfort.
To answer your question. Hornady and Federal make a non +p load, but the 148 gr wadcutter as druryj suggested is also a good choice.


Be SAFE and Shoot often!
 
I'd go with full wadcutters or a 125gr JHP. Even if I had wadcutters in the gun I'd probly carry 125gr JHP for reloads.

Heavier bullets generate more recoil, so the 125gr will be easier on your body than 158gr.
 
I don't know what guns you have--you mentioned a 642--but on any of them the right grips can make a huge difference. Especially on something as light as the 642 I would want Pachmayr Compacs or Hogue grips. They're bigger than factory magnas, but cover the backstrap, absorb recoil well, and in the case of the Pachs give a high hold on the gun.

Whatever ammo you choose, good grips can make your shooting easier. Take it from one with badly arthritic 81-year-old hands who has torn both rotator cuffs over the years.
 
I am sorry to hear of your condition. I also would suggest the 158 grain bullet as weight often increases penetration. I would opt for the lead semi wad cutter or semi jacketed soft point in a standard loading not a reduced velocity target round. Watch your front sight, manage the trigger and get your hits. A lot of bad guys fell to that round in the days of black and white so you will be fine.
 
How low recoil is Low Recoil ? How effective is Effective ? And which factor is controlling ?

And for a minimal recoil load , I will buck the trend, and Not recommend 148gr WC . " Cowboy " style .38spl is commonly available in a 125gr flat point at same nominal velocities as Wadcutters, ie 750-ish , good for 15% recoil . Is .38 Short Colt equivalent ballistics anything to write home about ? Not really . But a significant number of users feel that pocket pistols shooting .380acp fmj are acceptable for SD at least under some circumstances , and this will do at least as well .

IF you compromise on having cheap practice ammo in same weight/ velocity , Hornaday's Critical Defense Lite has mouse fart recoil with it's 95gr bullet .

R-P still makes old school 110gr JHP in non- Plus P . Don't expect massive expansion from snubs , but again very minimal recoil .

If the recoil parameter stretches as far as the currently qubiticius(sp) 130gr fmj, the W-W "Defend " is widely distributed , and published testing results imply performance similar to middling +P loads .
 
All .38 loads work the same on bad guys. I'd use a wad cutter target load for lowest recoil
It will make a .36 inch hole in the bad guy just as will all the others. Bullets are bullets.
 
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