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M39s still are the best!
M39s still are the best!
39 No dash ISP pistol/Range results added 8/21
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Roberto Renauld
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Super Vel ammo in Model 39 semiauto
Thank you for sharing your tables on stated values of Super-Vel ammo the adverised velociyy for 90gr JHP was 1465fps!!! the tested 1415fps!! that´s the real velocity, what I did not now that this velocity was obtained at a an average of only31000psi, when the standard non +p loads for 9mm lists up to 35000psi giving only 1150fps velocity (but 124gr FMJ)
Thanks for sharing, you have the objective evidence of the tests!!!..
Best Wishes
Roberto Renauld
Thank you for sharing your tables on stated values of Super-Vel ammo the adverised velociyy for 90gr JHP was 1465fps!!! the tested 1415fps!! that´s the real velocity, what I did not now that this velocity was obtained at a an average of only31000psi, when the standard non +p loads for 9mm lists up to 35000psi giving only 1150fps velocity (but 124gr FMJ)Thanks for sharing, you have the objective evidence of the tests!!!..
Best Wishes
Roberto Renauld
Roberto Renauld
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Dear Forists, as a "super-enthusiast" of Model 439, I would like some information onthe Model 439 (1980 era) with adjustable sights, any body owns one of this???, I will like some info regarding accuracy, best loads and range or hunting experience with this gun
Best Regards
Robert Renauld
Best Regards
Robert Renauld
VASCAR2
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The only experience I have with the 439 was putting down white tail deer along the road that had been injured by getting hit by vehicles. I generally used head shots with our issue W-W 115 grain JHP +P+ ammo. The 9 MM is an effective cartridge if you put the bullet in the right location. Our issue 115 grain +P+ produced the same results on deer as I achieved using a 125 grain JHP 357 Magnum out of a 4” model 66.
I always got good accuracy out of 115 grain jacketed hollow point ammo. My agency used reloaded 9 MM ammo with a jacketed truncated cone FMJ bullet in my Academy class that was pretty accurate. I don’t know if this was a 115 grain or 123 grain bullet but my 439 was a very good shooting service grade pistol. The Sierra 115 grain JHP always produced good to superior accuracy for me in reloads.
As for accuracy the typical 439 was more accurate than the Officers on my Department could shoot. One of the range Officers from my class challenged the top Cadet shooter to a competition at 25 yards at bullseye targets. The Range Officer (Jerry C.) shot a random cadets 439 upside down while our top shot Mike S. shot his 439 right side up.
The Range Officer posted a better score with all 10’s and numerous X’s. The Top shooting Cadet had shot very well but Jerry C. was a expert shot and had won many pistol competitions in his day. Jerry was in his mid to late 50’s when I went through the Academy and Mike S. was in his mid twenties.
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rick1959
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I'm glad to see this thread is still breathing and with such good info! I ran across it looking to find a source of extractors for my 1966 mfg S&W 39 no dash. Mine is in near mint condition and has been fired little. But, with the events going right now, it reminds me to keep anything I own, should be kept with spare parts. You never know if something may get pressed into service some day....Thanks for looking, Rick
James E. McCall
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S&W Model 39 no dash
Well friends of the Model 39 I bought two in 1969 (one went to my brother who was also on the Teaneck PD NJ cost was $167.50 and when I first fired it was surprised how accurate it was, had the wide full extractor all the way back to the safety.I ran thousands of ammo thru including handloads and it never misfired or failed to extract and it is still accurate to this day. A few years later bought another 39-1 Nickeled w smaller extractor and that one was a honey and was able to shoot out the bullseye with that ,it was accurate as hell even with handloads. A few years ago I was at a Gun Show in PA and while talking with a merchant about 39's he said he had a full kit for a 39 including slide, barrel and all the internal parts and all the springs and whatnot bought it for $200.00 and further conversation he also had another kit for a Nickeled 39 and would be back at the next show and again I paid $200.00 for that kit minus the small parts but had the slide & barrel plus recoil spring and rear handguard also nickel. I haven't check the lands and grooves yet but I will eventually. Good shooting with you 39's PS When I went off Patrol after 20+ years I was assigned to the ID Bureau and subsequent to that went to the FBI academy for further training at Quantico Va. for Forensic training including the first DNA gathering and advanced fingerprinting , photography Etc. Was allowed to take my 39 with me and shot it out with FBI trainees and outshot them all (with my Nickeled 39) Well I was Marine Corps trained on the 1911A1 so it was duck soup to me. Well talk to you again sometime.
Well friends of the Model 39 I bought two in 1969 (one went to my brother who was also on the Teaneck PD NJ cost was $167.50 and when I first fired it was surprised how accurate it was, had the wide full extractor all the way back to the safety.I ran thousands of ammo thru including handloads and it never misfired or failed to extract and it is still accurate to this day. A few years later bought another 39-1 Nickeled w smaller extractor and that one was a honey and was able to shoot out the bullseye with that ,it was accurate as hell even with handloads. A few years ago I was at a Gun Show in PA and while talking with a merchant about 39's he said he had a full kit for a 39 including slide, barrel and all the internal parts and all the springs and whatnot bought it for $200.00 and further conversation he also had another kit for a Nickeled 39 and would be back at the next show and again I paid $200.00 for that kit minus the small parts but had the slide & barrel plus recoil spring and rear handguard also nickel. I haven't check the lands and grooves yet but I will eventually. Good shooting with you 39's PS When I went off Patrol after 20+ years I was assigned to the ID Bureau and subsequent to that went to the FBI academy for further training at Quantico Va. for Forensic training including the first DNA gathering and advanced fingerprinting , photography Etc. Was allowed to take my 39 with me and shot it out with FBI trainees and outshot them all (with my Nickeled 39) Well I was Marine Corps trained on the 1911A1 so it was duck soup to me. Well talk to you again sometime.
Didn't ISP use a 100 grain jacket soft point after the 100 grain fmj?
rick1959
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Thanks for that informative reply!!
Hope I'm lucky enough to find a kit as you did for my blue 39
Best Wishes!
austintexas
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I got to shoot a 39 for the first time while I was stationed at Wheelus field Libya. When I got back to the states in '64 I sold a mint 16 dated Luger for $65.00 and ran out to Shooters Paradise and bought a new 39. It cost $65.00 tax and all. Still have It. I know the Luger is worth more now but in '64 Lugers were for sale from $29 for a worn one to $65 for a mint one.
SWCA892
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Mr. austin, those were the days. Our town gun shop had Lugers in a peach basket on the floor for $30, your pick.
James E. McCall
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S&W Model 39-no dash
I forgot to mention that my first 39 had serial # 106711 and the one my brother took was serial # 106712 they were consecutive serial numbers he still has his
I forgot to mention that my first 39 had serial # 106711 and the one my brother took was serial # 106712 they were consecutive serial numbers he still has his
jscott
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I like the grouping. In a shooting, low shots are often a hit while high shots are gone. Nice piece.
The 39-nothing the ISP issued me is serial number 106403.
Ours probably were born almost the same day if S&W stayed consecutive serial numbers that week.
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rick1959
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That sounds promising!
For my 1966 mfg 39, no dash, I'd love to have a spare......The idea being I'll never need it if I have a spare
Do you know if it is a wider "no dash" extractor?
I know there are 39-2 extractors around, but 'no dash" extractors are not interchangeable....
And what's the best way to reach Jack?
Many Thanks for your time, Rick
rick1959
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FYI, I did a quick search and found Jack First...Sorry for the dumb question....
I searched the site and found no Model 39 parts.
Wondering if I should contact them Monday by phone, apparently the only way, and see if they might produce it?
I'm assuming it might be worth it if there enough to be made...Does anyone have an interest in getting one or more "no dash" extractor(s) if there are willing to make them?
Might be a good item to have produced, depending on the cost...I'd be willing to undertake this...And if it did fly, it would be a cost only endevour on my part...
Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks!
I searched the site and found no Model 39 parts.
Wondering if I should contact them Monday by phone, apparently the only way, and see if they might produce it?
I'm assuming it might be worth it if there enough to be made...Does anyone have an interest in getting one or more "no dash" extractor(s) if there are willing to make them?
Might be a good item to have produced, depending on the cost...I'd be willing to undertake this...And if it did fly, it would be a cost only endevour on my part...
Anyone have any thoughts? Thanks!
About 4 years ago I had bought one of the full length extractors from Jack First. Called them (didn't have a catalog). Believe it cost about $65.
rick1959
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Thank You, maybe they don't list them on the website. Jack First seems more "phone" oriented, which I think is a good thing.
I'll call them Monday and see what they say....
Maybe asking a simple question works
I'll report back after I talk to them Monday....
I'll call them Monday and see what they say....
Maybe asking a simple question works
I'll report back after I talk to them Monday....
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