Yes, the two-digit number on the upper forward left side of grip frame is 18 . . . and yes, there is a small eagle head with S2 inspector stamp on the frame (but none on the yoke).
Russ
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Yes, the two-digit number on the upper forward left side of grip frame is 18 . . . and yes, there is a small eagle head with S2 inspector stamp on the frame (but none on the yoke).
Russ
tenntex32
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Thanks again Russ. I really like that military framed commercial M1917 example.......even if it is now chambered in .45Colt.
It is starting to look like added two digits on the upper forward left side grip frame do go hand-in-hand with the S&W factory reworked examples.
as i find them again,, i'll post 'em
btw, the pics turn when uploaded here ... not the photographer
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tenntex32
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It tells us his commercial M1917 was actually built on a WWI M1917 frame that was inspected for the U.S. Government M1917 contract but due to the war/contract end it never was delivered to the military.
We see post-WWI commercial sales M1917 examples built using these spare/leftover M1917 government contract parts, as well as 44 Special examples, and post-WWII Brazilian M1917 examples that utilized even more U.S. M1917 contract parts found, etc...
Start a new thread on your M1917 example and we can give it a good lookover.
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nothing really to see, thats the only markings on it and has been redone ..not a very good job. i really don't think a roll pin should be used as the bbl pin
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tenntex32
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nothing really to see, thats the only markings on it and has been redone ..not a very good job. i really don't think a roll pin should be used as the bbl pin
I've seen worse. Much worse.
as i find them again,, i'll post 'em
btw, the pics turn when uploaded here ... not the photographer
I authored your exhibit above. And I can tell it's from the past year with my recent update on the serial range for the 455 1st Model TLs.
Here's more about them:
"The run of 15 with consecutive serial numbers, made in 1916 are all commercial, #46748 from that range is documented. There is no cal markings on this gun and the only other markings are the standard. Roy had to research the build records to find them because the shipping records didn't list the cal. The front sights on these factory chambered for.45 Colt is a little higher [than 455 revolvers]. This is the only one of the 15 that is known. Roy said he guessed the other 14 were for a shipment to some other country." Jim Fisher 'bmg60' http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-ha...d-model-hand-ejector-45-lc.html#post139086401
In 1953 when your gun made the return trip to the mother ship, your barrel was changed because Smith used the 455 barrel dimensions for the small number of pre war 45 Colt chambered models. After the war 45 Colt chambered gun barrels reverted to the 1917 45 ACP barrel dimensions still used to this day for 45 Colt.
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tenntex32
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"Something Special" could have just as much to do with who it shipped to.
Maybe it was also their polite way of hinting at it was a factory conversion instead of an unnamed entity doing it? (Maybe even whoever sent it back to S&W for rework was noteworthy?)
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Maybe it was also their polite way of hinting at it was a factory conversion instead of an unnamed entity doing it? (Maybe even whoever sent it back to S&W for rework was noteworthy?)
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Something special means only one of the two things mentioned: rare model or rare destination/owner.
I have no doubt it's a factory conversion at this point.
I have no doubt it's a factory conversion at this point.
Memphis
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I just have to say I have never seen that factory explanation of the "star" rework marking posted above. I find it interesting that it addresses the work being paid for and "then" the star applied. I love this forum.
Roger
Roger
tenntex32
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Yes, they seemed quite serious about receiving the remittance for work to be performed......like any legitimate business I guess.
Bill Bates
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This has been an interesting read. As the owner of a factory Commercial 1917 converted to .45 Colt Ctg. I'm curious to see what is found.
On minor note my barrel, cylinder and ejector star all have diamond stamps along with matching serial numbers.
On minor note my barrel, cylinder and ejector star all have diamond stamps along with matching serial numbers.
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That's a major note! Very nice.
Have you checked under the left stock for the rework date stamped on the left side grip frame?
..Enquiring minds want to know
now the hoopala is over for about 2mths , that wouldn't pay for the gas (5 trips 3hrs ea). just to save this from ruins
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tenntex32
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I thought we later agreed upon a $62.50 sale price???
The postal money order has already been sent.
I thought we later agreed upon a $62.50 sale price???
The postal money order has already been sent.
i suppose you want a box of ammo too
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