4 Screw .38 M&P 1st Model? (Not pre-Model 10)

[Bklyn_Irish]

What can y'all tell me about this .38 Special revolver? I'm going to lay hands on it for closer inspection tomorrow and I'd like to know more about it.

 

[DARE]

Looks to me like a .38 M&P 1st Model. Also called Model of 1899.
Not Pre-Model 10. The Model 10 started about 1957 or 1958. The guns we call pre model were made after WWII. 1946-1957.

 

[Retired W4]

Yep, and it's considered a 5 screw frame, the 5th being in front of the trigger guard,.

Check that, Wrong again!!

 

[Retired W4]

Obviously I'm No expert but that is an early one. No shoulder/flared collar where the barrel goes into the frame and no locking lug under the barrel.

 

[bruce5781]

Yep, and it's considered a 5 screw frame, the 5th being in front of the trigger guard,.



Check that, Wrong again!!

Pre-5 screw, 4 screw gun


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[Retired W4]

Pre-5 screw, 4 screw gun


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I realized my mistake, but it was too late.. Again, no expert but that ejector rod end doesn't look right. Still a really cool 1st model HE.

 

[Bklyn_Irish]

I realized my mistake, but it was too late.. Again, no expert but that ejector rod end doesn't look right. Still a really cool 1st model HE.

I thought it looked weird.

 

[Muley Gil]

The Model of 1899 had a threaded knob on the end of the ejector rod.

This revolver is missing the knob.

 

[bruce5781]

I thought it looked weird.

The ejector rod knob is missing. Pretty common situation with the 1899's. A forum member had some really nice reproductions made a few years ago. I picked up 2.

WTS Reproduction 1899 Ejector Rod Knobs

 

[Bklyn_Irish]

The hunt is on!

 

[Retired W4]

The hunt is on!

You will need one that is nickel plated...I think.

By the way, your gun is a real piece of history. The very first in a long line of S&W 38 M&P's

 

[DARE]

I just bought one that may be here tomorrow.

 

[James K]

Picked this one up last year and yes the ejector rod knob unscrews too easily so I applied some pink locktight.

 

[Bklyn_Irish]

Picked this one up last year and yes the ejector rod knob unscrews too easily so I applied some pink locktight.

I'll find one somewhere. If the gun is otherwise sound, it's worth the $100.

 

[DARE]

I'd say the gun is worth quite a bit more than $100 sound or not.
If you do not already own it, please remedy that ASAP.

 

[H Richard]

Yes, Pre 5 screw 4 screw. Here's a couple I formerly had. The Nickle gun had been returned to S&W and was re-finished and the factory added the then normal markings, including the 4 line address markings.




When Roy was Production manager, he made them stop this practice.

 

[glowe]

By the introduction of the Model 1902, the knob was case colored which often looked a dull blue. Bare steel replacement knobs for the 1899 can be polished to show just fine with a nickel gun.

 

[mikepriwer]

1899's were cataloged in four barrel lengths: 4", 5", 6", and 6 1/2. There are three that were special-ordered with 8" barrels. The following picture is two of them, from my collection.

The blue gun is the only one of the three that letters as being originally-shipped with the 8" barrel. It went to Dr Reginald Sayre, a New York physician and Captain of four US Olympic teams from about 1908 to 1920. This gun is shown in Roy Jink's History of Smith & Wesson on page 171.

There are no records for the nickel gun, other than the shipping date and destination, so it is not possible to know the original barrel length of this special-ordered gun.

The third gun is a 6 1/2" zero-gun originally delivered to D B Wesson in 1900, and then shows up again in 1906, with a 8" barrel, in the possession of Charles Call.

Regards, Mike Priwer

 

[kscharlie]

The hunt is on!

Samuel Simmons, aka ruffkat on GB, has what you are looking for. He is a very talented machinist, and makes quite a few repro parts. I have ordered .22 HE (Ladysmith) parts from him before and was very impressed with the quality of his work. He also offers most of his parts in "antique blue", high polish blue, and nickel. Just a moment...

 

[Bklyn_Irish]

Samuel Simmons, aka ruffkat on GB, has what you are looking for. He is a very talented machinist, and makes quite a few repro parts. I have ordered .22 HE (Ladysmith) parts from him before and was very impressed with the quality of his work. He also offers most of his parts in "antique blue", high polish blue, and nickel. Just a moment...

Awesome. Thank you!