4040PD

Follow up. Contacted S&W customer service and gave them all of the pertinent info on this pistol. This 4040 was manufactured on the 17th of December, 2003. It left the factory with a blued steel slide. So, the original blued finish was removed, either by bead blasting or some other method, after it left the factory. So far there doesn't appear to be any discoloration or corrosion of the bare steel. As this pistol looks virtually unfired, it will be a nice addition to my shooter/carry guns. Loaded with 7+1 rounds, it is light and handy. It fits into a Sig 239 Tagua cross draw holster like a glove. In addition, it fits well into my Bianchi Black Widow holsters for my other S&W 3rd Generation pistols. Happy Shooting. William Smith, Montana Territory

Does the top of the frame rails show wear, such as some mild peening, which would be caused by the dropping of the barrel onto them at each side, during live-fire cycling?

My own 4040 has some typical wear/peening marks, although the rest of the frame rails are very clean (I keep my 3rd gen's reasonably lubed, whether I'm using a CLP, lightweight synthetic oil or a non-lithium synthetic grease).

I still rather suspect that the finish of the slide, slide stop and manual safety may be a nicely subdued, matte electroless nickel, or something similar, but it's hard to tell in pictures. A company who specializes in firearms plating might've easily removed the extractor, manual safety assembly, rear sight (and plungers & springs underneath) and the slide stop lever's roll pin, plunger & spring for the plating work. Ditto the single magazine.

It looks rather nice. If I owned it, it would see a fair amount of range work.
 
Fastbolt, I haven't disassembled the pistol yet. Want to take my time and go through it thoroughly...clean, lube etc. Actually, your suggestion that the slide might be electroles nickeled has merit. Everything metal on this gun is magnetic. That actually doesn't really mean much as most of the stainless steel used in firearms is of the magnetic type. Hoping to get this little jewel out to the range....here in Montana the weather has not been optimum. Not a lot of snow here but it has been fiercely windy at times. The range is part way up on the east side of McDonald Pass (which crosses the Continental Divide). Very windy at times. Nice range though. Sight in,Handgun, Rimfire, 100, 200, 300 &400 yd rifle. William Smith, Montana Territory
 
Follow up to the follow up. Finally got around to looking at this pistol more closely. I talked to a long time friend here who is also a gunsmith. He suggested testing the slide in an inconspicuous place with cold blue. VIOLA!!! The slide that now rests on this pistol is STAINLESS STEEL!! Again no markings of any kind on the slide...I even looked closely in good light to see if any markings might have been removed....no vestige of any marks. Kinda neat....will be a great carry gun....no possible rusting of a carbon steel slide. Now to get this custom jewel cleaned, lubed and out to the range!! William Smith, Montana Territory
 
Follow up to the follow up. Finally got around to looking at this pistol more closely. I talked to a long time friend here who is also a gunsmith. He suggested testing the slide in an inconspicuous place with cold blue. VIOLA!!! The slide that now rests on this pistol is STAINLESS STEEL!! Again no markings of any kind on the slide...I even looked closely in good light to see if any markings might have been removed....no vestige of any marks. Kinda neat....will be a great carry gun....no possible rusting of a carbon steel slide. Now to get this custom jewel cleaned, lubed and out to the range!! William Smith, Montana Territory

Well, I'd not get too excited about it just yet.

First of all, the slide of your 4040 has the unique angled dustcover profile of the 4040 slide, not a stainless 4013TSW slide.

Where would you suppose a stainless steel 4040 slide originated?

If you lower the manual safety to the on-safe position, can you see the machined steps and open spring hole in the area normally covered by the lever when it's in the up, off-safe position? The 4040 slides were machined for the optional spring-loaded decock option.

Secondly, the factory said they shipped the gun with the standard carbon steel slide.

Thirdly, I certainly don't claim to know how all of the various cold blue do-it-yourself solutions may work on electroless nickel (or hard chrome, etc), but I'd be hesitant to consider dabbing a spot of cold or Perma blue on the slide to be a conclusive "test" that the slide is stainless.

Are you able to contact the seller to ask if they were the original owner, and whether they'd had the custom work done, or knew whether it had been done by the original owner?

I tend to suspect that whoever had the slide work done either had the original black finished extractor replaced with a plain stainless .40 extractor, or perhaps they had it plated, too.

The newer revisions of the .40 extractors (also used in the standard SW1911, BTW, but not the Enhanced, which uses a wider PC extractor) have a secondary machined, beveled spot behind the hook (which ought to be visible if you empty the gun and remove the slide, looking at the extractor hook "from underneath", with a good light).




Don't claim to know, but I've never heard of a stainless slide having been made for 4040, and the 3913TSW slide not only had a different dustcover profile, but had a breech face machined for the 9mm. Perhaps BMCM might chime in on his thoughts of what might be involved in machining a different slide to work on the 4040.

At the end of the day, it's a simpler answer for someone to have had the slide and other parts and assemblies plated, as that's not exactly an unusual "enhancement" for many gun owners to have done over the years.

Nonetheless, you have acquired an interesting variation of the somewhat limited production 4040, though. ;)
 
A 4040PD is a great gun, I have one, but rarely shoot it. The frame and slide are the same dimensions as the 3913/3914 lady smith and NL semi autos. Magazines are non existent and the finish shows handling marks and edgewear very easily. I bought 4 curved baseplate mags at an old gun store in original packaging years ago and haven't seen a reasonbly priced mag since. They have two ball bearings and different feed lips so 4013 single stack mags do not work IIRC.

For these reasons along with limited parts availability, mine rarely comes out to play and never gets carried. I'd rather shoot and carry my well used CS40. If you are adding to a collection of semi's its a must buy, and one day probably will be extremely valuable. You may want to think twice if you are going to carry and shoot it a lot. (By a lot I mean thousands of rounds)

SVT28

I don't think 40 s&w is necessarily going out of style. I have a few guns in that caliber and they are great. One is my H&K USP. 40 S&W is it's original caliber and I love it. The other is my Glock Gen 2 model 22. I shoot 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 acp, 10mm and 44 magnum loads and I mean full power loads in my S&W model 29. Recoil is subjective in my opinion and too much is made of it.

I would pickup a 4040 in a heart beat and never look back.
 
I'd not think the .40 is actually "going out of stye".

It's more that a lot of new pistol owners and shooters, and LE firearms trainers who are responsible for training a lot of newer shooters (especially including folks who are somewhat recoil sensitive, or have never fired a gun until they got hired and who aren't "gun enthusiasts"), have found that the venerable 9mmP offers some benefits.

Often cheaper to shoot, too.

This is just another of those inevitable recurrent "trends"among gun owners/users we've seen over the decades. I remember when the death knell sounded for the .45ACP in LE work, only to see it make an even stronger comeback several years later.

The .40 won't really go away, at least not to the extent that the 357SIG and 45GAP have been in the process of doing. ;)

Granted, the .40 does ask more of the shooter (and some guns) than the lighter recoiling 9 or the .45ACP, but many folks either don't mind it, or they claim not to notice it. (So why isn't the .40 replacing the 9mm minor & major in the hands of competition shooters? ;) )

As much as I like the relatively gentle recoil impulse of my 9's (using standard pressure , + & +P+ loads), I've come to really enjoy shooting my handful of .40's (only 5 of them).

They also make me a better 9 & .45 shooter. ;)
 
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The previous owner of this pistol was also asking on this forum about the pistol. He apparently got it from some other party. My gunsmith friend (who has been a gunsmith for some 35 years) looked at the slide and said that the color and sheen of the metal suggested stainless steel as well. He said that the color pretty much ruled out hard chrome and nickel plating. So far, I can find no signs of plating and some of the cocking surfaces are polished from a small amount of wear and these do not respond to cold blue either. In any case, the slide should not tarnish, corrode or stain from sweat in a carry scenario. Will post some more pics of the areas that you mentioned. William Smit
 
Here are some pictures of the slide, extractor and safety. William Smith
 

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The extractor hook would have to be viewed from below in order to see the extra beveled cut behind the hook. Looks just the same from all other angles.

Back when I bought mine, I was talking to one of the older employees (now retired) and he said he'd never heard of any plans to offer the 4040 with a stainless slide, and it wasn't around long enough to see any variations. Never say never, though ... except ... S&W told you the 4040 had shipped with the standard blued steel slide, right? They only list one slide assembly for the 4040 on the last parts list, too, and no optional versions.

Might the Performance Center have produced a special stainless slide for a 4040 project commissioned by some customer? Never Say Never ... but even if they'd agreed to do so, it might've easily added another $300-$400 dollars to the cost of the gun (not being a standard production slide they could run over and grab from the factory, making it a special production project). Less expensive to just plate the slide and associated parts.

Then, there's the 4040 mag that has the same finish in your pics. If someone had tried to convert a stainless 3913 mag to make that one shiny 4040 mag, it would have the numbers stamped next to the witness holes (which the 4040 mag bodies lack).

The 3913 mags were also folded and welded on the left side, toward the front, while the 4040 mags were welded in the rear, like some other 3rd gen mags (the ground down line can be hard to see, as they did nice grinding and polishing of the mag bodies). BTW, for trivia, I was told by someone at the factory that the "open" part of the weld line at the top of many of their mags was intentional, and the weld wasn't done and closed at the top as a way to reduce stress on the weld, and it actually helped prevent stress cracks.

The 4040 mags were stamped M4040, while the 3913 mags were stamped with a S and a M on the bottom right side ("s" was for stainless, I thought I remembered).






Dunno.

I'd still not be surprised if it turned out to be a case of some version of one of the metal plating processes that may have been used. One with which your friend may not have first hand experience (as done by some particular vendor).

Like I said, very interesting.

If you use this 4040 for a lot of shooting, look to see if any copper flashing might appear at hard wear points, or if some flakes might pop off (depending on whether it's plated, and the amount of prep work that may have been involved).

I've got an early 70's Commander I had electroless nickel plated in the 80's, with a subdued satin finish. It took some time, but eventually signs of some small flakes coming off began to appear in some hard wear spots. Kinda of looks like brushed stainless to the casual eye.

Still a nice find, though. If it were mine, I'd shoot the dickens out of it and enjoy it.
 
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I was interrupted by a long call and had to space out completing my previous post. You might need to refresh the page to get all of the comments and all 4 pics I posted.
 
Fastbolt, Just one last thing. I weighed the pistol on a super accurate digital scale and it is exactly 25.5 ounces with an empty magazine inserted. Test fired it yesterday and recoil is surprisingly mild. Of course, I shoot a lot of .357 and .44 mag...so, the 40 S&W is no big deal. Happy Shooting. William Smith, Montana Territory
 
Finally got the time to disassemble the 4040. No appreciable wear...some marks where the barrel contacts the frame....but nothing significant. Virtually no wear on the frame rails. I removed some metal on the underside of the slide in a hidden spot...enough metal to be sure that I was down to the base metal of the slide. I tried cold blue again with not staining or blueing. Showed the slide again to my gunsmith and he is convinced that the slide is stainless steel. Also, the slide, slide stop and barrel are uniquely numbered with the same 3 digit number (that does not match the serial of the pistol). Again, the slide has no markings of any kind. I now suspect that this is a custom pistol...maker unknown. Shot it on my 25yd range here at home and the pistol shoots flawlessly with 150gr-200gr handloads and factory Corbon Pow r' ball 135 grain ammo. Kinda interesting and unique. Also, have a 4013 on the way to my gunsmith. I also own a 4006, and a square trigger guard 5906. Have developed a real liking for these all metal 3rd gen pistols. Just can't get excited about the newer Tupperware weapons. Guess as I get older (73), I am staying with "Old School". William Smith, Montana Territory
 
I have a chance to pick a nice 404PD up for a really low price, unfortunately it comes with only one magazine. Brownells says you can back order them, but I'm not sure that they will ever be back in stock. Ebay has a couple of them listed, but they are asking $95.00 each. Even though the price is low, I just can't justify buying a pistol that if the magazine goes down, it becomes a very expensive paper weight.

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A 4040PD is a great gun, I have one, but rarely shoot it. The frame and slide are the same dimensions as the 3913/3914 lady smith and NL semi autos. Magazines are non existent and the finish shows handling marks and edgewear very easily. I bought 4 curved baseplate mags at an old gun store in original packaging years ago and haven't seen a reasonbly priced mag since. They have two ball bearings and different feed lips so 4013 single stack mags do not work IIRC.

For these reasons along with limited parts availability, mine rarely comes out to play and never gets carried. I'd rather shoot and carry my well used CS40. If you are adding to a collection of semi's its a must buy, and one day probably will be extremely valuable. You may want to think twice if you are going to carry and shoot it a lot. (By a lot I mean thousands of rounds)

SVT28

I bought two of them when they first came out. I still have one but sold the other.

After only limited firing, one of the magazines sort of self destructed and was replaced by Smith and Wesson. It's been a while but I think the captive ball bearing "went a missing".

Not long after that I had another failure, not of the magazine but a parts breakage issue with the gun itself. Smith repaired that as well.

Those two parts breakages in a short amount of time sort of got me thinking the gun might be marginal for the caliber.

Maybe I just got unlucky but with limited parts available today I rarely shoot the thing.

I really like the 39** series and the 4040PD has some of the goodness of that with a bit more "oomph". Seemed like a great idea.

I wouldn't worry about the 40 cal round going away. It will be with us for a long time. As it now is a little out of fashion and not the flavor of the week there are deals to be had on good, used 40 cal handguns.

It's still an effective round. It's not its lack of effectiveness pushing it out of the limelight.
 
I remember reading a post sometime back about a PC pistol with a black slide being sent to S&W to have the slide flats polished. Although the description for the model stated it had a blue carbon steel slide, it was in fact, a stainless steel slide finished in black. I believe it was referred to as "Black Magic". The finish on the 4040 AirLite PD does not look like the classic blued slide but looks a lot like the blackened stainless steel. Of course, there is no one currently at S&W who knows.:rolleyes:
 
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I remember reading a post sometime back about a PC pistol with a black slide being sent to S&W to have the slide flats polished. Although the description for the model stated it had a blue carbon steel slide, it was in fact, a stainless steel slide finished in black. I believe it was referred to as "Black Magic". The finish on the 4040 AirLite PD does not look like the classic blued slide but looks a lot like the blackened stainless steel. Of course, there is no one currently at S&W who knows.:rolleyes:

After I bought my 4040PD from S&W (LE T&E gun), I asked if they were ever going to offer a 4040S (so to speak). The regular LE customer service gentleman told me that he'd heard of no plans to offer it with a stainless slide, and that they'd used a carbon steel slide like they did with the 457, 908, 410, 411, 3914, etc, in order to keep cost as low as possible. (However, at the same time they'd machined the 4040's slide with the extra cuts needed to accept the decock-only option, but they didn't do that with their budget models, so go figure. :p)

Of course, the cost of making the gun using a Scandium aluminum frame soon priced the cost of making the gun out of the little competition it had in the market (SIG P239/.40), and the model was discontinued.
 
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