410, 410, anyone 410...Hello?

Shoot bird shot-It will only penetrate 1 layer of 1/2" sheetrock from about 12'. This protects whoever in your family is hiding in the next room. Secondly, if you have ever witnessed a person shot with a small gauge, you will understand. A 12 ga will virtually cut an intruder in half.
Darrel
 
Convincing message. Any thoughts of 45 ACP or LC for the Governor?


Jack Kelley

.45s are good to go out of the Judge/Governor, no need for any specialty ammo, in fact I would advise against it since the only specialty load that I've seen for the Judge is the Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion round, which features a gigantic bullet which expands into a freaking Shuriken. Sounds awesome, looks awesome, but doesn't penetrate nearly deep enough to be effective, so skip it.

Personally, I use Barnes VOR-TX 200gr Standard Pressure .45LC in my Judge. It's expensive, but I like it a lot.
 
I have done a lot of 45ACP's in my Governor, the 230 grain extreme bullets with 4.8 grains of tightgroup are at point of aim at 5 yds with very little tumbling. At 7 yds I see about 25% tumbling and a inch or two below point of aim. At 10 yds I can expect over half are tumbling and a rough 4 inch drop from point of aim. At 25 yds everything is tumbling and I get about a foot of drop from point of aim. I currently carry it on my recumbent trike and have at least 4 moon clips loaded and in a bag on the bike just in case I roll into a pile of oops and can't get away.

With 45 Colts 255 grain extreme bullets expect point of aim at 25 yds.
 
Folks, please note that the OP is looking for ammo to use indoors at a range of 10-15 FEET, not 10-15 YARDS. Although I haven't tried it (I might do that tomorrow), I would not expect to see much difference between bird shot and slugs, at that range.
 
I might expect to see a difference in penetration. My nightstand gun is a judge loaded with 0000 buckshot. At across the room distance it’s pretty lethal in my humble opinion.
 
Federal Premium .410 Handgun 000 Buckshot is the absolute best Self-Defense ammunition for the Taurus Judge, Smith & Wesson Governor, Magnum Research BFR, and any other .410 handguns on the market. PERIOD.

Yes, it's expensive and yes, it can be hard to find, but that's because it really is the best ammo available. Other .410 handgun loads such as the Winchester PDX1 Defender and Hornady Triple Defense ammo is gimmicky, inaccurate, and largely ineffective, only marginally better than ordinary .410 Shotgun Ammo.

The Taurus Judge and S&W Governor are specialty handguns which require specialized ammunition designed specifically for short barrels to be effective, otherwise they're just range toys. Unfortunately, cheapskates don't understand this and are adamant that any firearm which doesn't perform well with bargain basement ammo is junk, so if you subscribe to the same ideology, then I strongly suggest that you cut your losses and sell your Governor immediately, then console yourself by joining the ranks of those who denigrate .410 Revolvers at every available opportunity because I can tell you based on personal experience that cheap run-of-the-mill .410 ammo is going to perform terribly out of a handgun.

Still with me? Very good then, sorry for being short about this, but I've owned a Taurus Judge Magnum for the past 3 years, so I know what works, but folks always choose to ignore my advice then complain when it doesn't work out for them.
Federal Premium .410 Handgun 000 Buck is perfect for Self-Defense with a .410 Revolver because it just plain works. Federal did their homework and came out with a winner because instead of trying to make some gimmicky load for the gun with plated discs or .41 caliber slugs which predictably tumble out of the barrel resulting in abysmal accuracy, they simply adapted their proven Flight Control design to .410 Bore, then used faster-burning powders to achieve optimal velocity out of a short barrel. As such, Federal .410 Handgun 000 Buck utilizes a scaled-down variant of the Flight Control wad which prevents the shot from coming into contact with the barrel's rifling and the shot is copper-plated so it doesn't deform inside of the shot cup under recoil, which in turn helps the shot to maintain a tighter group as well as greater accuracy in flight.
To the best of my knowledge, no other .410 ammo does this, which is why it tends to perform so terribly when tested. Unfortunately, most ammo companies made their ammo solely for the purpose of capitalizing on the popularity of .410 Handguns, ergo they really didn't try to design optimal loads for .410 Handguns, they just made something with a gimmick that sounds good on paper like goofy mixed shot loads with plated discs, shot, and/or slugs combined within the same shell. Meanwhile, common sense dictates that if there were any merit to such designs, then obviously they would have also been offered in 20 Gauge and 12 Gauge loads as well, yet they were not. Wanna know why? Because they are useless gimmicks.

So yeah, although this whole post may have come out reading like a clumsily constructed sales pitch for Federal ammo, it's just because they simply offer the very best load for .410 Handguns. I'm not a Federal Fanboy either, in fact my favorite defensive loads for all my other handguns is made by Hornady.

But hey, don't take my word for it. There are no shortage of .410 Ammo Tests out of a Taurus Judge or S&W Governor on YouTube, (honorable mention to ShootingtheBull410 for providing some of the most fair, unbiased ammo tests available) so I strongly encourage you to check them out and see for yourself.

After reading this, curiosity got to me so I went in and checked. Sure enough, my Governor is loaded with six rounds of Federal Premium 4-Pellet 000 Buck handgun loads. I did some additional checking and discovered that I have a total of 74 rounds of the Federal 000 Buck loads; that is including the six previously mentioned sitting in the Governor's chambers. I also discovered that I have three boxes of the Federal Premium 7/16 ounce #4's. I have never fired any of these, and just picked them up when I purchased the Buckshot Loads, wish I had left the #4's on the shelf and grabbed three more boxes of the buckshot instead. :o

Anyway, thanks for the post. It backs up the conclusions I had reached after firing just about every load you mentioned while testing out my Governor. :)
 
Was able to get a case of the Hornady critical defense 410 in 2 1/2. There is a store on Gunbroker that had a bunch. Not too expensive. With shipping it is about 28/box. Now I just need to go to the range and see what I am working with.
 
I am curious, what kind of velocity are these specialty buck shot loads getting out of a 2 1/2 - 3 inch barreled revolver?

On a side note, I get pheasant killing patterns out of my .410 handgun at 20 - 25 yards. But its a TC Contender with a 14 inch barrel and the screw in tube that stops the shot column from spinning.

On another side note, years ago, while in school, I worked for a retired CT State Trooper who owned a security company. His son was a new trooper. The son was shot once in the abdomen from about 20 feet while investigating a home burglary. No vest. Don't know what shot size, but it put him down, and he spent months in the hospital, and was lucky to survive. Even the lowly .410 can be deadly in the right circumstances.

Larry
 
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I am curious, what kind of velocity are these specialty buck shot loads getting out of a 2 1/2 - 3 inch barreled revolver?

On a side note, I get pheasant killing patterns out of my .410 handgun at 20 - 25 yards. But its a TC Contender with a 14 inch barrel and the screw in tube that stops the shot column from spinning.

On another side note, years ago, while in school, I worked for a retired CT State Trooper who owned a security company. His son was a new trooper. The son was shot once in the abdomen from about 20 feet while investigating a home burglary. No vest. Don't know what shot size, but it put him down, and he spent months in the hospital, and was lucky to survive. Even the lowly .410 can be deadly in the right circumstances.

Larry


The Federal Premium 000 Buck loads are listed on the box as 850 FPS.

I shot some over a chronograph a few months ago out of my Governor, and to the best of my recollection, I was getting close to or over the stated velocity.
 
It depends on the shell, the payload, and the barrel length, but out of a 3" Barrel Taurus Judge, you'll get about 850fps from a Federal . 410 Handgun 2.5" 000 Buck Shell and about 775fps from a Federal .410 Handgun 3" 000 Buck Shell.

As a result, each 70gr 000 ball hits with energy roughly equivalent to that of a hot European .32 ACP JHP SD load, but with deeper penetration (up to 16" in FBI/IWBA Spec Ballistics Gel Tests) due to the fact that the 000 Buckshot doesn't expand like a .32 ACP JHP does.

Source:
https://www.federalpremium.com/shot...onal-defense-410-handgun/11-PD412JGE+000.html
https://www.federalpremium.com/shot...onal-defense-410-handgun/11-PD413JGE+000.html

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