44 1950 Target Cylinder change

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I recently inherited a 44 1950 Target. The front sight has been altered. Worse yet the gun used a lot of the old 44 Associates handloads. The man who bequeathed it to me asked of me two things. 1. Not to shoot it as the cylinder strength is suspect. 2. Give it to my grandkids and his great-grandkids.

The gun has been in his safe since the 1960s without being shot. He shoots a 5" Pre 29 when he still shoots. I believe him when he tells me about the hot handloads he used to fire in the 1950. I would like to fix the cylinder problem so the grandkids can have a working piece of family history. Out side of the cylinder problem the overall condition is very good.

To fix the 1950 I would need the new cylinder, a new extractor star and a new cylinder hand. How should I approach this project? Thanks for your replies!
 
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Keith the star has a couple of flat spots on a couple of the charge holes. Looks like heavy recoil against the cylinder hand. You're right didn't think about Magnafluxing it.

Well, that will be step one. Do you have someone in mind who does that type of work. Does Smith have that ability? It would follow that they would.
 
Give Nelson Ford a call in Phoenix,AZ at The Gunsmith. He brought two of mine back from the brink and based on what they are worth his charges were reasonable. The shipping is expensive but the work is first class.
 
fixing cylinder on original 1950 target

I had a 1950 .44 spec target that had timing problems. Sent it to the factory in april '94. The pistol was fitted with a new cylinder. It shot fine, but it had a slight difference in feel when pulling the trigger slowly. The factory service rep that oversaw the work said it would due to the older style cylinder stop working in a newer type cylinder. Was not a problem, got used to it. Hope this is helpful, bob hughes
 
My experience with magnafluxing is that it's best for verifying a crack rather than finding them. Xray is best for finding cracks. Sounds like some careful measuring of the cyl would tell you what you need, check for any egg shaped holes etc.
 
I recently inherited a 44 1950 Target. The front sight has been altered. Worse yet the gun used a lot of the old 44 Associates handloads. The man who bequeathed it to me asked of me two things. 1. Not to shoot it as the cylinder strength is suspect. 2. Give it to my grandkids and his great-grandkids.

The gun has been in his safe since the 1960s without being shot. He shoots a 5" Pre 29 when he still shoots. I believe him when he tells me about the hot handloads he used to fire in the 1950. I would like to fix the cylinder problem so the grandkids can have a working piece of family history. Out side of the cylinder problem the overall condition is very good.

To fix the 1950 I would need the new cylinder, a new extractor star and a new cylinder hand. How should I approach this project? Thanks for your replies!

Bronco,

I have been watching this for days without making a comment. You are afraid to shoot this gun merely because the prior owner said he had shot quite heavy loads in it? Basically that is nonsense, I will explain.

Steels rarely fail as a result of repeated loads less than what is sufficient to cause deformation. The typical revolver cylinder failure is a catastrophic one as a result of a final excessive load applied to it. They will stretch to a point, and sometimes are bulged as a result. Examples have been posted
on this site. There also may be bulging of the cylinder stop notches which is seen as a dimple inside the charge hole. A cylinder that is even slightly stretched will give difficult extraction with standard loads.

My suggestion to you is to closely inspect the cylinder paying close attention to several points:

First, check under the stop notches for dimpling.

Second, with the gun assembled sight through the cylinder window between the cylinder and top strap (cylinder closed). Try to determine if there is any indication of bulging as shown by a variation in the gap. If any it will show as the center of the cylinder will be closer to the top strap than the ends, it is easy to see any variation, even just a few thousandths.

Third, look through the charge holes after thorough cleaning. Believe me, you will be able to see if the sides are not straight front to back.

If all of these look OK then there should be no problem with taking the next step, and that is to shoot the gun. Use, preferably, new factory ammunition as it will not be work hardened as previously loaded brass will be. Fire one round and see if it extracts freely, it should typically almost fall out. If one extracts freely then load it up and fire all six. If it still extracts OK then enjoy the gun and don't worry about it any more. Be sure when doing the shooting keep the gun out at the end of your arm and use the sights! This may sound odd, but I have never heard of the shooter being injured, except minor cuts to the hand, when a revolver cylinder failed because most of the debris goes left, right and up away from the shooter.

If you get hard extraction with six, then try another six. If you still have hard extraction then worry about replacing the cylinder.

If it hasn't been stressed to the point of stretching then it hasn't been hurt. The post war guns are, at least to a degree, stronger than the pre-war guns as a result of the metallurgical improvements made by S&W during development of the .357 Magnum. The post 1950 guns are all a lot stronger than most would give them credit for.
 
Thank you Alk8944, good advice. I will start the inspection process on Saturday. I will send it to Fords if it needs a new cylinder. In dry firing the weapon, there are a couple of charges holes that cock with difficulty, this only occurs in single action. The gun cycles very well in DA. The shooter was a bullseye shooter and carried the gun while in the woods.

Will report back with my findings.....

Thanks

Tom
 
Alk8944 gave you some really good advice. Remember to wear eye and ear protection especially for this experiment. The 1950 is one of the .44 specials that will take "hot" loads.

Unless your friend was shooting loads above .44 magnum levels on a regular basis, I seriously doubt that you'll ever need to replace the cylinder. If there is binding on two of the chambers, it probably needs a thorough cleaning. Also check the ejector rod to see if it's bent. That can cause binding on one side of the cylinder.
 
Cylinder inspection reveals no dimpling, bowing of cylinder or abnormalities that are discernable in the charge holes.

Took the weapon out and shot it at 50 ft using a load of 7.0grains of Unique and a 240 commercial cast SWC and a standard primer. Gun printed one hole group of 1.83"s for six shots. That's as good as I can do, I'm sure the gun can do better. The gun is now put away for my grandson.

I will have to check and see if the ejector rod is bent. I would like to find a Smith who would swap out the old cylinder star and hand for new ones, as I have a new hand for that era revolver. Ill try Delta Gun Shop they're within driving distance.
 
Cylinder inspection reveals no dimpling, bowing of cylinder or abnormalities that are discernable in the charge holes.

Took the weapon out and shot it at 50 ft using a load of 7.0grains of Unique and a 240 commercial cast SWC and a standard primer. Gun printed one hole group of 1.83"s for six shots. That's as good as I can do, I'm sure the gun can do better. The gun is now put away for my grandson.

I will have to check and see if the ejector rod is bent. I would like to find a Smith who would swap out the old cylinder star and hand for new ones, as I have a new hand for that era revolver. Ill try Delta Gun Shop they're within driving distance.

Bronco,

Telling if the extractor rod is bent is the easiest thing in the world! Simply swing the cylinder out, spin the cylinder and watch the end of the rod. If it doesn't wobble any more than barely perceptable (almost all do a little, even new) then it is OK. So far as the hand is concerned, if the cylinder carries up on all charge holes you will be doing nothing to benefit the gun by changing it. Carry up issues are handled by an oversize hand. If the gun carries up properly keep the new hand for when it is needed instead of throwing it at a non-existant problem. There is rarely ever any reason to replace the extractor, particularly to address a carry up problem. The extractors are factory fit items only and you aren't very likely to find one anyway.
 
I should have noted above that the extraction of the 7.0 grs of Unique load fell from the cylinder with little or no effort from the ejector rod.

Now I need to help preserve the 2nd Amendment so my grandkids can enjoy this old masterpiece of 20 century armsmaking.
 
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