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The clip grip can be easily swapped out if it bothers you.
442 no lock or Wyatt deep cover?
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Samuel P. Morris
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Problem is people are buying it for that reason and because of the Wyatt hype.
Better off to just buy the regular 642 to start with then spend more money later right.
Too each their own.
Better off to just buy the regular 642 to start with then spend more money later right.
Too each their own.
I had a chance to fondle the Wyatt at the LGS a while back. The trigger was awesome and I really liked the Clip Grip. I did not like the price tag however.
I bought the Wyatt Deep Cover's less sexy cousin, the 637-2 used for a song. Took me all of 30 minutes to remove the ISL and bob the hammer. Bought a Desantis Clip Grip (just like the Wyatt has). The trigger pull is heavier than the Wyatt, but it's smooth.
Get what you like. Who care's if the barrel says "Gunsmoke"? It's going to be residing in your pocket or waistband. If you can get it for a good price, I say go for it.
I bought the Wyatt Deep Cover's less sexy cousin, the 637-2 used for a song. Took me all of 30 minutes to remove the ISL and bob the hammer. Bought a Desantis Clip Grip (just like the Wyatt has). The trigger pull is heavier than the Wyatt, but it's smooth.
Get what you like. Who care's if the barrel says "Gunsmoke"? It's going to be residing in your pocket or waistband. If you can get it for a good price, I say go for it.
To me the Wyatt thing is a advertising hype to sell a gun at a pumped up price. It may have a better trigger but not enough to make the difference in price worth it, IMHO. I've carried a Model 442 nickel for years w/o a single problem, and my M38 was purchased used in the early '70s and is still shot and carried often. I'd go for either the 642 or 442 w/o the lock.
I've seen differing opinions regarding if the barrel and cylinder are both blackened stainless steel. I've also contacted multiple people at S&W and get a different answer every time.
mgriffin
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@rogo 12, Are you saying the 442's are made in Brazil?
Seriously? My 638-3, that says "SPFLD MA" and "S&W USA" on the frame (as does my 442) was actually made in Brazil? Stunning info. Has to be one of the best kept secrets in the gun biz. (I'm still looking for the smiley.)
F75gunslinger
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The extra cost on the Wyatt model is because, at the end of the day, it's a performance center model. Smith and Wesson has been using television shows as a way of putting their products more into the mainstream buyers market. Think " Bone Collector". It is just another model of J frame gun. Gunsmoke probably collaborated with designers on what they thought were good modifications, and then S&W produced them. The difference between a regular 637 and a Deep Cover is $90 MSRP. You can't get all the work done on your 637 for that price. And I don't think that the gun looks bad at all. The difference between most models from standard and performance center is usually more. So in my opinion the Deep Cover model isn't a bad option. And you can find it much cheaper online obviously than MSRP. Places like Bud's have good deals alot of the time.
With the long, heavy trigger pull on my J-Frames, it ain't gonna happen. It's hard enough to intentionally pull the trigger.
Going to add my .02 to the above advice of poster Hapworth. Last I heard, the Model 637 Wyatt was mfg'd by the Performance Center at S&W. At least, the 2 that I own were. I understand the idea of this gun originated from a LGS that was featured in a TV reality show. I know absolutely nothing about the shop, but the PC-mfg'd 637 is a wonderful carry piece.
To carry the logic further, should the world stop using the 5-gallon "Jerrycan," one of the most useful containers imaginable and heavily used by the Allies in WWII, simply because it originated in Nazi Germany?
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wesnellans
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I, like others, am curious as to the basis for this one. Other than the show being (as are all reality shows, IMHO) insipid, what's the deal with the shop itself?
.455_Hunter
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F75gunslinger
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Did it occur to you that a gun show with national attention such as this may in fact earn special attention from the anti-gun folks ? Especially when the show in question paints guns as a regular way of life for people ( which it is ) and something that, in the proper setting, can actually be fun and enjoyable ? I can imagine the Liberals pulling their hair out every time a commercial came on for one of the gun type shows, such as Top Shot,American Guns, or Sons of Guns.
And honestly, lets face it . The IRS and the BATFE are never wrong and never falsely accuse someone. And they are always the highest pillar of moral standard, right ?
I enjoyed watching all these shows ( as much as you can with ANY reality show anyway ). And thought it was good that someone finally put some airtime into showing the average person that guns can be fun and not all gun owners are scary, dangerous people.
Sorry for disrupting or derailing the thread.
I believe the underlying institutional purpose of the ATF (despite any published policy statements or the attitudes of any individual to the contrary) is to confiscate as many guns from "civilians" as they can get away with, to make as many citizens as possible ineligible to own guns, to ban as many guns as they can get away with, and to make it as difficult as they can get away with for the rest of us to buy, own and use the guns that are left.
Thought experiment: if this really was their underlying purpose, what would they do different than they do now? (Remember my qualifier: that they can get away with. For example, I think they tried it on with the ban on green tip 223 ammo and found they couldn't get away with it, so they backed off. Without the uproar, their ban would have stuck, regardless of any underlying law.)
Thought experiment: if this really was their underlying purpose, what would they do different than they do now? (Remember my qualifier: that they can get away with. For example, I think they tried it on with the ban on green tip 223 ammo and found they couldn't get away with it, so they backed off. Without the uproar, their ban would have stuck, regardless of any underlying law.)
The frames of the 442/642 are made from the same aluminum alloy, so I can't see one being more prone to cracking than the other. I've came across several mentions about cracked 442 frames although perhaps not as many 642's. I imagine that might be the case simply because the 642 is more popular, so there's a lot more of them out there.
S&W 442 airweight cracked frame
My 442 (no lock) goes with me everywhere. Bought a Wilson Combat spring kit, took out the trigger rebound block and stoned it glass smooth, installed the heaviest spring to insure reliable primer pop. I also send a cylinder or two downrange regularly. It and it's brothers are made in the USA.
.455_Hunter
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Yes, except that is not the case for Gunsmoke.
As a local, I have been in Wyatt's store on several occasions, even buying a few guns from him (my mistake). His reputation among local firearms enthusiasts is horrible (even before the show), and his treatment of customers (myself included) has been less than stellar. He also is a shyster, which he put on full display during American Guns (ever see the episode with the howdah pistol?)
Sorry, his "misfortune" is NOT a case of government retaliation- he brought upon himself...
Buy a 642, 442, 37, just not the Deep Cover.
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Rick_A
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I believe the 642 being more popular than the 442 makes the cracked frame appear to be a more prevalent issue.
You're not going to find Brazil as a country of origin on any of these.
20150319_090613 by Slick_Rick77, on Flickr
The Taurus 85UL is a decent gun if money is a primary concern, but they sure are rough.
You're not going to find Brazil as a country of origin on any of these.
20150319_090613 by Slick_Rick77, on FlickrThe Taurus 85UL is a decent gun if money is a primary concern, but they sure are rough.
I have developed some powder burn erosion in the frame above the barrel cone in my 442 should i be concerned. I have only shot a couple hundred rounds through this gun
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