.45 Colt diameter choice

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I see Hornady offers some .45 Cal jacketed bullets both in both .451 and .452 dia.

Coming from .45ACP the bullets were always .451 for jacketed and .452 for cast.

But is the .452 size for jacketed considered correct for the .45 Colt?

If so, would that usually call for .453 cast bullets for the Colt? Have not seen a lot of .453 cast bullets around.
 
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Depends. 45 Colt cylinder throats are notorious for their wide variations. I've read of cylinder throats from .451" up to .454"+. I have a SAA clone with .452" throats so I use .451" jacketed bullets, but since 90% of my shooting is done with lead bullets, I size my bullets to the same diameter as the throats; .452". Slug the barrel and cylinder throats and even if you don't need the data now, you'll have it in case you need it some day...
 
Fit the bullet to the cylinder throat like mikld said. What are you shooting them in?
 
SAAMI bullet diameter specs for the .45 Colt bullet are 0.450" to 0.456". You should use a bullet diameter which is the closest to the chamber throat diameter. I use .452" lead bullets because that is about what my chamber throats are (0.453") and those are easiest diameter to find. Works fine for me.
 
Many 45 Colt shooters with large cylinder throats have managed to basically make due with soft lead bullets that will swage up and give OK accuracy, at least more stable and with less leading. If anyone makes a hollow base 452~ mold or swage bullets, this will work even better with the soft lead. Others with slightly larger cylinder throats might get by if they cast with very hard alloys because they tend to cast larger bullets from the same mold, and in some cases this might be enough to close a small gap. Midrange alloys will be too hard to swage up and cast too small to fit. Then again nothing beats actually measuring the cylinder throats themselves and adjust accordingly. Jackted bullets of any type won't work in .453+ groove very well in any case.
 
Jacketed are always a bit more forgiving than lead when it comes to correct size. If you have an older Colt or copy, your bore could very well be 0.454", so even 0.452" jacketed will not shoot well. if you have a newer revo, the bore is likelt 0.451"-0.452" & 0.452" jacketed will work. If shooting lead, slug the cyl throats. That is where lead bullets fail badly if you have undersized throats
 
The launch pad will be a recent Vaquero, and there seems to be a rash of undersized cylinder throats in these, unfortunately.
 
The launch pad will be a recent Vaquero, and there seems to be a rash of undersized cylinder throats in these, unfortunately.

That's not a bad situation!
This would be my plan:
-Lap the bore. Use a soft lead bullet, tap it down the barrel. Coat with fine oil and silicon carbide lapping compound (300 grit to start, then 400 and 600) and repeat the process. Some people do firelapping, where you shoot the carbide coated bullets, some do it by hand. Veral Smith, cast bullet guru of LBT fame, did the latter.
What you want is to smooth the bore and remove any choke at the barrel threads.
(One neat trick is to cast a lead bullet with a cleaning rod jag in the mold. You can then thread the slug to a cleaning rod to speed up the lapping.)
-Your barrel with now be .001"-.002" larger than when you started. Whatever the actual groove diameter, ream the cylinder throats .001" larger.

You'll need to buy or cast bullets to fit. Voila! Match grade accuracy to any range that a sixgun would be practically needed.

This process is very straightforward, and even with tool cost, is very cost effective.

Jim

PS: Beyond this, there are other factors such as your reloading dies. The resizing die and expanding plug need to work with your bullets and brass. Too many 45 Colt sizing dies are just 45 ACP dies with a different roll mark.
Regarding Jacketed Bullets: CH used to make a die to bump up a jacketed bullet by about .001"
They really worked. I saw this with a Veral Smith reworked Ruger Blackhawk.
 
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The launch pad will be a recent Vaquero, and there seems to be a rash of undersized cylinder throats in these, unfortunately.

An investment in a couple pin gauges may be in order (.451" and .453"). If the .451" gauge enters the throat, good. If the 451" gauge wont enter the throat, the throat is prolly too small. If the .453" gauge enters the throat, bad, meaning the throat is prolly too large, If the .453" won't enter the throat, good...
 
And I think I may have those gauges... and I am not above fire lapping this guy!
 
I use .452". You can buy a slug kit from Brownells to measure your bore, but in general almost everyone I know uses .452".
 
I cast / size my own 45 Colt cast bullets . Since they are supposed to be a bit oversize , I size to .454 . It works well for me . And yes , I measured the cylinder throats and the " groove " diameter of the barrel . The " bore " diameter is meaningless as it is the smaller of the 2 measurements inside a barrel . I had to fire lap my 25-5 Smith . My OM Ruger Vaquero is perfect from the factory , cylinder throat size , groove diameter and NO choke where the barrel threaded onto the frame . I got lucky I guess . Regards, Paul
 
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