I JUST RAN ACROSS ( IN MY STUFF) 3 BRAND NEW 4553 6 RD MAGS( I FORGOT I HAD) . WHAT'S THE GOING RATE FOR THEM? JP
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I can't give you a precise number, but they also fit the early 4513 guns, and I think, the CS45. A quick search of Numrich, Midway, and Brownells shows no listings.
It also depends on how much money you want to make. Buyers on this forum are savvy and understand the true value of 3rd Gen magazines as the factory winds down availability.
On Ebay, the buyers aren't as savvy and are likely to pay higher prices.
If I were listing them here, I'd start a bit high and see what the offers are (if any). If I were listing them on Ebay, I'd start higher and be patient.
It also depends on how much money you want to make. Buyers on this forum are savvy and understand the true value of 3rd Gen magazines as the factory winds down availability.
On Ebay, the buyers aren't as savvy and are likely to pay higher prices.
If I were listing them here, I'd start a bit high and see what the offers are (if any). If I were listing them on Ebay, I'd start higher and be patient.
Jeppo
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There is only one for sale on that large general auction website and the seller wants $100 for it. :eekt: Makes me wish I had picked up a few in my travels.
My dad used to joke...
"Cheap at half the price".
That's up there with NIP 10xx magazines.
I noticed that the Midway listings for 3913 magazines said "Out of stock, no back order."
I noticed that the Midway listings for 3913 magazines said "Out of stock, no back order."
There is only one for sale on that large general auction website and the seller wants $100 for it.Makes me wish I had picked up a few in my travels.
Well, I'm in pretty good shape all around for magazines these days... and it's no secret that I'm not that into the pre-rail TSW's wherein you lose a round... but I'm not turning down any older S&W OEM magazines that you can sell for double or triple!
My mama didn't raise no dummy child. 
cherrypointmarine
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Midway had CS45 mags not too long ago . I got mine on sale for like $30 . I think they are out , don't know if you can back order . They aren't that hard to get .
vigil617
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If I still owned my pre-rail 4513TSW, I'd pop for 'em at $100 for the lot, delivered, no more. But that's just me. Ask Jeppo what he'd pay for 'em for his pre-rail 4513TSW.
I think he has plenty of 'em already, though....
I think he has plenty of 'em already, though....
Last April a guy on EBay had them listed as CS45 mags, two for $59.99. He had many. I got two just to have two more.
I posted here about them and several of you got some too, before the post was deleted and I went to "poster prison". Again.
Jim
I posted here about them and several of you got some too, before the post was deleted and I went to "poster prison". Again.
Jim
cherrypointmarine
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The early 4513TSW is 6 shot right ? That doesn't have the rail , then I'm guessing ? The later model is 7 shot and has the rail ? I'm getting an early model from the member that sold me the 457S . I'm glad I jumped on those from Midway , though I bought them for my CS45 .
Except for those later 4513TSWs that didn't have rail. Which still used 7 round magazines.
The only difference between the CS45 and early 4513TSW magazines was the baseplate. I think.
Which still used 7 round magazines. The only difference between the CS45 and early 4513TSW magazines was the baseplate. I think.
Except for those later 4513TSWs that didn't have rail.
I just really, really like that comment once again. And again I'll whine about still trying to find one.
Yep, the only difference are the base plates and the indentations on the CS45 mags.
All of my CS45 mags have the 4513 Pre-rail bases on them. I actually had to change one out for the picture.
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YEP THEY HAVE THE ROUNDED BASES. THANKS FOR THE INFO GUYS. I SAW THE ONE FOR $100 ALSO. NOT WHAT I WAS THINKING. JP
Except for those later 4513TSWs that didn't have rail.
The only difference between the CS45 and early 4513TSW magazines was the baseplate. I think.
The ES1 mag body used for the CS45 had a set of secondary indentations pressed into the lower/rear corner of the standard P-lips. They were determined necessary in order to help prevent the potential of the top round being displaced under recoil and jumping out from under the mag lips when the slide was cycling during recoil.
Original 6rd 4513TSW mag on left, with arrow pointing to P-lip indentation. CS45 6rd mag on right, with arrow pointing to added indentations.
Thanks. I'd probably remember this if I had either gun.
I do remember that there are different variations of the different 4516 variations, but again not in detail.
My 457 isn't fussy!
I do remember that there are different variations of the different 4516 variations, but again not in detail.
My 457 isn't fussy!
The ES1 mag body used for the CS45 had a set of secondary indentations pressed into the lower/rear corner of the standard P-lips. They were determined necessary in order to help prevent the potential of the top round being displaced under recoil and jumping out from under the mag lips when the slide was cycling during recoil.
Original 6rd 4513TSW mag on left, with arrow pointing to P-lip indentation. CS45 6rd mag on right, with arrow pointing to added indentations.
cherrypointmarine
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Thanks 4T5Guy . I'll be getting my 4513tsw next week . It's the early one product code 104550 , six shot . Is there a problem running CS45 mags in it ? It comes with the 2 mags , wondering if I have to go on a hunt for more 4513tsw mags .
FWIW, if anyone is interested in older gun company trivia, as told to an outsider (and who hasn't read some of my older postings) ...
When the CS45 was brand new the CS45 6rd mags were the same as the 6rd mags made for the original 4513TSW, except the buttplates were curved. I found this out when I called back to ask someone in Pistol Repair about some puzzling feeding stoppages a friend and I were sometimes experiencing with our early production CS45's. Mine was the first of the stainless slide models and my friend had a carbon steel CS45 from the first year of production.
Since I was a S&W LE armorer he recommended couple areas for me to check on the guns we had.
He asked me to describe the secondary indentations in our mags. He said that if they appeared (to the eye) to be too unevenly applied on each side (to the other side), or the stamping was thinner toward the bottom of the indentation, we probably just needed the newly revised CS45 mags. Naturally, that prompted some questions.
He said that when initial CS45 production was just starting, and the magazines had already been made and set aside for the guns, the engineers discovered the short 6rd mags for the new 4513TSW needed a little revision to hold the top round under the mag lips during the heavier recoil and cycling of the smaller CS45. That was the secondary added set of indentations.
The magazines that had already been produced (and lacked the added indentations) were sent to an outside local machine shop for the indentations to be added to the mag bodies. It was done by hand, meaning each indentation was hand-stamped in the already produced mag bodies.
He further explained that it was later determined that if the indentations weren't applied evenly enough (side-to-side) in some particular mag body, a rising round might end up being slowed in its rise as it had to slow to "wiggle" or "snake" between the slightly uneven set of indentations. That might slow the timing just enough for the top round not to arrive under the lips in time to be properly picked up by the slide's bottom rail during feeding. He said this didn't seem to have affected very many of the early mags, but if anyone reported a feeding issue with a particular mag that had already gone out, they replaced the mags.
He also said that they'd later discovered that some of the CS45's might've left the factory with the gap between the breech face and barrel tab (in full battery) being too tight. (I recall some comment he made about not all tolerances needing to be "really tight" in order to be proper or to work as desired. ) He gave me a measurement to check, and sure enough, both of our CS45's were on the "probably too tight" end of tolerance. A little stone work opened them to what he said was the current gap.
He also offered to send me new magazines to replace the ones my friend and I were using, just in case one or more of ours might've ended up having the indentations too unevenly applied, as a courtesy. He said the new ones being produced and shipped in the then-current pipeline had already gotten the new indentations applied by computer when the steel stampings were being laser cut and pressed, before being folded and laser welded into tubes. Obviously, no need for any more old school hand-stamping, using a mallet and punch, now that they'd adopted the change as part of normal production.
BTW, both CS45's stopped experiencing the occasional puzzling feeding stopped once I'd adjusted the barrel tabs, and the new mags might've even helped, too.
Meanwhile, both of our original 4513TSW's ran like tops using the standard 6rd mags ... and using the later produced 7rd mags (with stuck out a bit, of course) ... and both my own 4513 and my later production issued 4513TSW didn't mind using the 8rd 4566TSW mags as spares, either. The 457/4513 compacts seem to have been a real sweet spot for S&W 3rd gen .45's.
When the CS45 was brand new the CS45 6rd mags were the same as the 6rd mags made for the original 4513TSW, except the buttplates were curved. I found this out when I called back to ask someone in Pistol Repair about some puzzling feeding stoppages a friend and I were sometimes experiencing with our early production CS45's. Mine was the first of the stainless slide models and my friend had a carbon steel CS45 from the first year of production.
Since I was a S&W LE armorer he recommended couple areas for me to check on the guns we had.
He asked me to describe the secondary indentations in our mags. He said that if they appeared (to the eye) to be too unevenly applied on each side (to the other side), or the stamping was thinner toward the bottom of the indentation, we probably just needed the newly revised CS45 mags. Naturally, that prompted some questions.
He said that when initial CS45 production was just starting, and the magazines had already been made and set aside for the guns, the engineers discovered the short 6rd mags for the new 4513TSW needed a little revision to hold the top round under the mag lips during the heavier recoil and cycling of the smaller CS45. That was the secondary added set of indentations.
The magazines that had already been produced (and lacked the added indentations) were sent to an outside local machine shop for the indentations to be added to the mag bodies. It was done by hand, meaning each indentation was hand-stamped in the already produced mag bodies.
He further explained that it was later determined that if the indentations weren't applied evenly enough (side-to-side) in some particular mag body, a rising round might end up being slowed in its rise as it had to slow to "wiggle" or "snake" between the slightly uneven set of indentations. That might slow the timing just enough for the top round not to arrive under the lips in time to be properly picked up by the slide's bottom rail during feeding. He said this didn't seem to have affected very many of the early mags, but if anyone reported a feeding issue with a particular mag that had already gone out, they replaced the mags.
He also said that they'd later discovered that some of the CS45's might've left the factory with the gap between the breech face and barrel tab (in full battery) being too tight. (I recall some comment he made about not all tolerances needing to be "really tight" in order to be proper or to work as desired.
) He gave me a measurement to check, and sure enough, both of our CS45's were on the "probably too tight" end of tolerance. A little stone work opened them to what he said was the current gap.He also offered to send me new magazines to replace the ones my friend and I were using, just in case one or more of ours might've ended up having the indentations too unevenly applied, as a courtesy. He said the new ones being produced and shipped in the then-current pipeline had already gotten the new indentations applied by computer when the steel stampings were being laser cut and pressed, before being folded and laser welded into tubes. Obviously, no need for any more old school hand-stamping, using a mallet and punch, now that they'd adopted the change as part of normal production.
BTW, both CS45's stopped experiencing the occasional puzzling feeding stopped once I'd adjusted the barrel tabs, and the new mags might've even helped, too.
Meanwhile, both of our original 4513TSW's ran like tops using the standard 6rd mags ... and using the later produced 7rd mags (with stuck out a bit, of course) ... and both my own 4513 and my later production issued 4513TSW didn't mind using the 8rd 4566TSW mags as spares, either. The 457/4513 compacts seem to have been a real sweet spot for S&W 3rd gen .45's.
Fastbolt write that book!
I agree, having owned almost every model 45 they made. The early 4513TSW is my favorite. And my favorite handgun. Out of all of them. Regards 18DAI
While I don't mind sharing some of the interesting odds & ends I can remember being told by assorted folks at the factory (only one of whom I think hasn't yet retired, and he's gotta be very, very close to pulling the plug), trying to organize some of the stuff into some sort of a "Things I Was Told" book might annoy S&W (the corporate folks). Dunno.
On the other hand, if I do finally get serious about publishing a book, it's a lot more likely going to be a distillation of the 1400-odd pages of material I was writing back in the mid 90's and early 2000's.
It's a "manuscript" mix of personal experiences, observations, thoughts and memories from my lifelong martial arts interest, up until that point, at least. It's unfinished, and it really needs to be brought up-to-date for the last 16+ years of my thoughts and practice in the arts.
It's also been salted with my thoughts and early years of serving as a LE firearms instructor. I started blending the firearms training stuff into the martial arts stuff as I was realizing the impact and synergy of my arts training with my own firearms training, as well as using some of the diagnostic methods to look for problems in shooters that went beyond the simple "stand this way" and "grip it this way" techniques used by instructors.
That gun teaching stuff also needs to be brought up-to-date to include the experiences and reflections I've gained since the middle 90's/early 2000's.
My real preference, though, has always been to try to write my own fiction, which would lean toward sci-fi/fantasy.
In the meantime, I just take up bandwidth and clutter up internet space on some of the gun forums, where my blather is worth exactly what people pay to wade through it.
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Long as you don't make the mistake of thinking I'm some sort of "expert" on this stuff.
When I think about all the stuff I don't know, it boggles my mind. Then, there's all the stuff I don't know that I don't know ...
cherrypointmarine
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And the stuff you don't remember if you knew it or not . Seriously , if you ever write the book , I am going to ask you to sign it . Sounds like it would be VERY interesting reading .
I'd certainly buy a copy (signed would be nice).
Just an observation to pass along...i have a 6 round mag for a PC 945 (I'm guessing it's for product code 170184 shown on pg. 462 in SCSW #4) with the 'vertical' indentations that CS45 mags have.
Maybe they started with CS45 mags, added the extra mag release slot, and branded them for PC??
The 7 round mag on the right with the rounded baseplate is a spare that came with the Shorty 45. Its original PC logo stamped mags have standard baseplates.
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Put me down for a copy as well!
Signed, of course. ++++++++++
p.s., Please make it out as follows: "To my special friend TTSH. When it comes to 3rd Gens, you are Da Man"!
Thank you!
(Doesn't have to be exactly 100% true, does it?)
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