6.5 Creedmoore, what is the allure?

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I don't understand this Cartridge. It's like the Man-Bun, the
new thing out there.

I see the 6.5CM in Gun Stores, and at Hunting websites a lot
lately, what's the big deal.

I recently found 80 brass cases. I was doing some reloading
and happen to have a 308Win near by, both cartridges are
about the same.
 
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That is a good question. I suppose for somebody just getting into shooting, who may hunt, shoot paper or steel at longer distances, it may be worth looking at. I have used 308, 300 win, 338 win and see no reason to start all over with another cartridge that will not give me significantly greater performance. Be Safe.
 
For one if ammo and gun companies didn't come up with new rounds ever now and again they wouldn't sell many new rifles.

Now as far as the 6.5 Creedmoor allows you to use the heavier (longer) bullets that will still fit in a short action rifle magazine. Basically long range performance that uses moderate powder and pressure.

It's popular just like the 6.5 Swede has remained popular in that it shoots flat, accurate and hits hard with low recoil.
 
I used to shoot a lot of 1000 yard matches with 308. The 6's & 6.5's have taken over for punching paper or ringing steel plates. But when it comes to actually killing a live deer size targets at long distance, There is no comparison! 6mm-06 was a great deer cartridge at extended range, but it has real recoil! and the man-bunnies don't want anything to do with recoil!

Ivan
 
SOUPED UP .270

Both my boys shoot REM MODEL 700 in .270. Some of our friends have gone to CREEDMORE 6.5. they are in love with the flat trajectory. It just seems like a souped up .270 to me.
We shoot 1,000 yard comps but they mandate .308 w/NO muzzle brake
All my rifles are .308, it has the history and knockdown power .
 
I used to shoot a lot of 1000 yard matches with 308. The 6's & 6.5's have taken over for punching paper or ringing steel plates. But when it comes to actually killing a live deer size targets at long distance, There is no comparison! 6mm-06 was a great deer cartridge at extended range, but it has real recoil! and the man-bunnies don't want anything to do with recoil!

Ivan

A 6.5 Creedmoor in the same weight rifle will have more recoil than a 6mm-06.

I don't understand the man bun or effeminate reference to this rifle cartridge. If Remington had done a better job of marketing the .260 Remington it probably wouldn't exist.

Going back to the 6.5 Swede and other 6.5 military rounds of times past it has proven that it is a sweet spot in that you can shoot a high BC bullet with great sectional density that just works well on both targets as well as game. You don't have to go magnum to get good performance with a 6.5mm / .260 caliber rifle round.

Think of the 6.5 Creedmoor as a short action 6.5 Swedish, because that's basically what it matches performance wise as well as recoil.
 
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I have long considered a 6.5x57 build, the only one of Paul Mausers x57 cartridges to never be chambered in a military gun. The Creedmore slightly bests this 100+ year old cartridge. This in no way would consider me to buy one over that or a 6.5x55. As was said, the failed 260 Remington bests it by a lot.
 
I am a huge 6.5mm fan and have rifles in 260, 6.5x55, 264 WM and the man-bun, 6.5 CM.

As others have said the 6.5s shoot bullets with high SDs and BCs very well and have been doing so for over 100 years. My attraction to the Creedmoor is that I can use long, 140+ grain bullets in a short action with little intrusion on powder space while matching the ballistics of the longer, venerable Swede. I like the 260 Rem, but bullets much longer than 120 displace too much powder space if you want them to fit in a SA. Also, 6.5 CM ammo and components have been more plentiful than many other rounds during the Kung Flu.

I’ve found all the 6.5mm rounds to be mild in recoil, punching way above their weight class using bullets of 120 - 140 grains. I’ve cleanly taken coyote, deer, elk and antelope out to 400+ yards. It’s a great round for women, young hunters and those sensitive to recoil. It’s helped blow life back into the 260 and will likely be around for a long time.

Christiansen Arms Mesa 6.5mm CM
 

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Much like cars, the first race happened when the second car was built and the two met. With rifle cartridges, we can always say this one is “better” than that one and in some ways, you can even be correct when you frame one single part of the argument. There’s just a couple things you should remember as you make the grandiose statements that seem to be laid out as the final word on the matter.

Whatever cartridge that you think is better than the 6.5 Creedmore is bested by something else, and bested by MANY something elses.

And unless you are talking .308 Win, there likely isn’t any other .30-.35 cal rifle cartridge in the market that can approach the 6.5 Creedmore in popularity, available platforms and sales volume.

If you were in the business of building or selling rifles right now and you refused to go near the 6.5 Creedmore, you’d deserve your fate.
 
I refer to it as the 6.5 man bun myself. As it being a nonsensical fad.
I have also stayed away from other (as I perceived them, anyway) fads in the firearms world. Short magnums, polymer pistols, AR platforms, etc. Occasionally I get bit (.17 HMR I have no use for), Sometimes straying from my preconceived notions works out (Sig 365 which I love, and a new appreciation for ARs).
That being said I am interested in the Creedmore. Specifically in a Winchester Model 70 Supergrade. I would have to handle one in person along with a Featherweight before I would buy.
I think the cartridge hits a sweet spot that will keep it around for a long time. And I am of the belief that the .25-06 through the .338 Win mag will all perform the same tasks about equally with some limitations. I've been using a .270 for the vast majority of my game hunting since '78 with no complaints.

OZ
 
Back when - The Hot Caliber was the Win 264.
Hold on a sec- that’s also a 6.5MM!
So my Buddy caved. He bought a barreled FN Supreme Action.
From Flaigs up near Pittsburg.
He was stationed at Travis AFB, got a local Gunsmith to stock it up.
When it was scoped, slinged, with Ammo - weighed over 12 Pounds.
It had a fairly heavy 26 inch barrel. Damn near kilt him humping that CA Coastal Range!
Turns out the long tube is needed to get that high velocity.
If you start shortening the barrel, you get into 270 territory.
 
A 6.5 Creedmoor in the same weight rifle will have more recoil than a 6mm-06.

I don't understand the man bun or effeminate reference to this rifle cartridge. If Remington had done a better job of marketing the .260 Remington it probably wouldn't exist.

Going back to the 6.5 Swede and other 6.5 military rounds of times past it has proven that it is a sweet spot in that you can shoot a high BC bullet with great sectional density that just works well on both targets as well as game. You don't have to go magnum to get good performance with a 6.5mm / .260 caliber rifle round.

Think of the 6.5 Creedmoor as a short action 6.5 Swedish, because that's basically what it matches performance wise as well as recoil.

There's one thing Remington does better than almost any other company - screw up a cartridge introduction.

The .244 Remington.

Introduced in 1955 the .244 Remington was a better cartridge by any measure than the .243 Winchester. However, Remington screwed up by introducing it in their 722 with a 1-12 twist barrel, which was the slowest twist possible that would stabilize a 90 grain bullet for medium sized game. They did that as they saw the primary market as a varmint rifle shooting lighter bullets.

Customers didn't agree and bought rifles in .243 Win with a 1-9 twist barrel instead as it would stabilize a 100 gr Spire point - and still shot 70-75 grain bullets just fine. The faster twist Winchester chose made the .243 Win a much better dual purpose cartridge than the .244 Rem, even though the .244 Rem was a better cartridge at least 100 fps faster in any bullet weight.

Changing the name to 6mm Remington, along with adopting a faster twist barrel, didn't help as the .243 Win was already firmly established.

The .280 Remington:

It was by nearly all measures a better round than the .270, but Remington made a few key mistakes.

1) In 1957 Remington introduced it in their semi-auto 740 and their slide action 760 and loaded it down to 60,000 psi to accomodate those weaker actions. Loading it down also made no sense has it has the same parent case and head dimensions as the .270 Win, also chambered in those rifles, that operated at 65,000 psi. If they'd have introduced it in their 721 bolt action as a full power round instead, it would have gained a lot of ground over the .270 Win.

2) Remington never capitalized on the popular support it had from notable figures like Jim Carmichael and Steve Hornady.

3) The .280 Rem starts coming into its own at 150 grains and it accells over the .270 Win at bullet weights in the 150 to 175 gr weight range, where it offers near .30-06 performance with less recoil. Remington never quite got that or reflected that in their factory loads.

4) Remington then killed it off on the high end with the 7mm Rem Mag and on the low end with the 7mm-08.

5) Changing the name to 7mm-06 and then just couple months later to the 7mm Express Remington didn't help - it just confused people.

The 7mm-08 Remington

Remington legitimized this wildcat in 1980, and offered in their 700,788 and 7600 rifles. So far so good. However they marketed it as a light recoiling cartridge primarily for youth and women. They NEVER touted it's finer points of excellent 7mm BCs in a short action cartridge with long range potential. You know...like a 7mm version of the 6.5mm Creedmoor, long before the 6.5 CM was even thought of. They also focused on selling it in lightweight rifles, rather than varmint and target rifles, even though it had a great deal of potential in those long range shooting activities.

They also never capitalized on it's .270 Win ballistics in a short action format - again pigeon holing as a light recoiling cartridge for kids and women.

Don't get me wrong, the 7mm-08 is still a popular round as it is an excellent round, but it would have been much more popular had Remington marketed it properly.

The 260 Remington.

The .260 Rem is living proof that Remington learned nothing from it's 7mm-08 experience. Remington simply lacked vision and could not see its way over the top of the box it was in. The .260 Rem and remains superior to the 6.5mm Creedmoor.

However, Remington again marketed it as a lightweight hunting round in lightweight hunting rifles and lighter factory bullet weights. The irony is that Remington was selling the .260 Rem in 1997, a full 10 years before the 6.5 Creedmoor came along and filled the niche that Remington never exploited.
 
if I were to buy my first long range rifle today.. it would probably be a 6.5 Creedmoor... but that ship sailed long ago.. and I went down the 308 road for hunting and target... sprinkled in a few other 30cal milsurps.. and now see no need for the latest greatest anything... have a friend with a 6mm Creedmoor is that a better whizbang than the old 6.5? lol... buy and shoot what you want how you want
 
I grew up with the 30-06 and it fulfills my needs, but.... a bad shoulder now dictates shooting lower recoil rifles. I had a military Swede, liked it and bought a Howa 6.5 Swede. Accurate, low recoil, fun to shoot. Then a guy came by my gun show table and offered me a 7-08, also a Howa. Sure is fun to shoot and not much recoil. Might go antelope hunting with it this next year. My most commonly carried deer rifle right now is a Mauser based .257 Roberts I built a couple years ago. I have dropped deer right in their tracks with it, another good caliber that is fading into obscurity.
 
I have seen 6.5 Creedmore described as "260 remington done right". Ah yes, I hear the "308 parent case" club gathering their pitchforks already. 6.5 CM was designed with the case dimensions and neck length to take long, high BC and SD cartridges from the get go. 260 Remington was not, it's that simple for me. Those long bullets fly better than any 30 cal bullet until you get up into the 200 gr range, at which point the recoil is getting stiff. 6.5 CM allows you to make hits at long range while saving your shoulder and lessening the chance of a shooter developing a flinch. Yeah, I'm looking at you, 300 WinMag in Army overpressure form.

Any minor differences in measured case capacity appear to go largely away in reality from what I've read. The popular view is that the fatter cases with more shoulder angle are just more efficient when the primer goes pop.
 
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I've never seen the allure. From cursory glances at paper published load data, the 6.5 Creedmoor appears to be a very efficient cartridge, but, for most, "efficiency" has never been much of an actual drawing point when it comes to cartridge selection.

On the Internet, many hunters allegedly kill elk with the 6.5 Creedmoor. No doubt, with a stout bullet the 6.5 would be a capable elk cartridge.

I've been on many guided and unguided elk hunts in the last thirty-five years and I enjoy talking with other hunters regarding their choice of elk cartridges. Recognizing the fact that the 6.5 Creedmoor has only been around a comparatively short time (though long enough to be established as a hunting cartridge), I find it strange that I've yet to run across a hunter that uses the cartridge for elk. It's even more perplexing to see no hunter using a 6.5 cartridge of any kind for elk.

Granted, no formal study or hard data, just casual observations; certainly not a basis for argument.
 
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