610 range report, lovin the moon clips

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For those who have never shot a moon clipped revolver, you really have to try one sometimes. I loaded up 16 before the trip to the range and just put the fired clips back into the box to demoon at home. By doing this all I had to do at the range was shoot and reload.

Now about the 610, mine is the 6 1/2 inch version and I was shooting 40 caliber Federal Champion from Walmart. In single or double action slow fire the gun is a real nail driver. Spent some time fine tuning the sights at 40 feet by shooting it in single action off the bench and the groups ranged from 3/4 to 1 1/4 inch.

However, that long heavy barrel is currently an issue for me during rapid fire in double action. I know that full underlugs are all the rage but I am seriously thinking about machining it off. The problem is that there is enough inertia that it makes coming back on target quickly difficult and it's very easy to over correct. To be honest, I don't think that I'll ever shoot it as well in rapid fire as my 4 inch 620. However, the practice of horsing it back on target will probably really help my shooting with my guns that have a lower swing weight.

There are a couple of minor issue that I'll need to address.

There were two chambers in the cylinder that showed that it has a tendancy to shave the jacketing when shooting the 40 S&W (it is a 10mm revolver). In one chamber there was a jacket fragment that I had to use a pick on to remove and it was stuck pretty tight. Next week I'll get a 5/16 diameter stone from a tool supply house and spend about 6 hours breaking the edge in each chamber slightly.

The other was that there was some leading in the barrel just past the forcing cone. Enough so that I felt it as soon as I patched the barrel when I got home. I'm thinking that as the forcing cone wear in I'll see a reduction in this but since the ammo I was shooting was FMJ it was a bit of a surprize. However, with two cylinders shaving jacketing it might also be a result of that issue. I would welcome any comments or suggestions on this.

Other than those two issues the gun funtioned perfectly. I also saw zero degradation in accuracy in spite of the leading I found when I got home. I was curious to see if extraction of the moon clips would become an issue but after 96 rounds downrange they still didn't show any tendancy to stick. Cases also showed very little evidence of blowby which means the chambers are sized near perfectly. I had zero issues with light strikes or misfires like those reported by some concerning the 625 moon clip guns. I am also pleased to report that the DA trigger stroke has become quite smooth, despite the incorporation of MIM components.

Bottomline, I am really liking the 610. It's cheaper to shoot than my 38's or 357's, has a very mild recoil, and the moon clips are a real treat to use. Fact is, when the budget allows and I can find one, I will probably purchase the 4 inch version or a 3 incher if Lew Horton does another issue of that version. Fact is, a 3 inch 610 would be a really sweet handgun and S&W should consider making it a standard offering. One other thing they should look into is offering a cylinder assembly specific to the 40 S&W. I'm sure that having a 40 S&W specific cylinder would save me about 6 hours of some very tedious hand stoning and would possibly improve the accuracy with that caliber by a bit. While they are at it, they should also look into releasing a moon clip 9mm cylinder assembly for the 686 and 620.
 
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I too am a 610 fan. I have a 6.5" on mine and it too is a tack driver. I also favor moon clipped guns. That is why I have several 38/357 moon clipped revolvers.
 
I have the 5" & 6.5" models and they are the best S&W's I have owned, never shot any 40's in them however. I reload and shoot mostly light load LSW/HP, but the break in was same brand just 10 mm it's never had any leading then or even now. I would hazard to say what you had was powder fowling or build up.

As for cleaning goes get a bore snake, they are wonderful for revolvers and those nasty cylinders.

Like you I hope to find a 3" & 4" some day before I am wheeled into the nursing home or planted 6' under. :D

Funny as it was the very rare 5" I got before the 3" or 4" models. The reason I don't have the 3" is I will not pay the asking price as I believe it is way over priced.
 
Leading!

Your FMJ bullets caused the leading! It is the same as shooting lead bullets! FMJ bullets are made backwards! The copper cup is made with the back of the bullet open which leaves lead exposed to the burning powder which melts the soft lead(600+ degs). This molten lead then deposits on the bore and cools! When you shoot hollow point or semi jacketed bullets the copper covers the back of the bullet. Copper melts at a much higher temp! If you shoot 40 cal. in your 10mm clean the chambers well! It is the same as shooting 38s in a 357, you will get powder residue build up in the chamber from the shorter casing and when you shoot the longer 10mm casing it will have a tendency to stick in the chamber. I speak from experience! I shoot a 610 in bowling pin matches and put about 3000rds a year thru my gun! I reload and shoot nothing but 10mm brass.
jcelect SWCA#723
 
Your FMJ bullets caused the leading! It is the same as shooting lead bullets! FMJ bullets are made backwards! The copper cup is made with the back of the bullet open which leaves lead exposed to the burning powder which melts the soft lead(600+ degs). This molten lead then deposits on the bore and cools!
What jacketed bullets you shooting? I have used some that were like you say, and I don't but them for that reason. They would lead up in a 686 if pushed to fast, but my Hornedy have not, and the even the el cheapo Nosler bulk 135 grain did not lead my 610's or G29's and couple of the bullets have been recovered and no lead exposed at back.

But what I was shooting were Full Metal Jacked and not semi-jacketed as you describe. I do have some of the Semi-jacked but I load them as lead. Also I was mistaken as to my factory ammo shot, it was Remington FMJ TCC 170 grain ammo and not bought at Wally-World as they do not carry 10 mm here locally.
 
Try an M625 just as nice if not nicer -
Having shot a friends 625 44Mag I didn't like the drop of the bullet on the 240 and up loads which is really the big deal with the 44, but with 180's the round does hum. I shoot mostly Dan Wessons, and my DW 744 (44 mag) with the 8" barrel is about impossibe for a stock 625 or 629 to out shoot because of the quality of the old DW guns. What is nice is taking one gun to the range and being able to shoot 2", 4" 6", 8", or 10" barrels as needed on just one frame To bad that S&W has to have very good trigger jobs to just match a stock DW trigger.

Sure wish S&W would copy that old DW innards and changable barrel models. But I only dream I guess.
 
Leadin?

Shooting lead is a science in itself! Pure or soft lead melts at around 600 degs. If it is alloyed with wheel weights, zinc, and/or may other metals this melting temp rises. Also this melting is highly dependent upon what type and the amount of powder used. Faster burning powder increase the temp in the chamber during ignition. A "rule-of-thumb" for lead is do not shoot them faster than 1000FPS! I used a LOT of lead(hard lead)! Any bullet with copper over the back will stop leading! I have used the Rainer bullets with good results. In spite of all the BS I have just wrote, my faviorate pin load WAS a 180 gr Truncated Cone Lead shot at a speed of 1225 FPS with HP38 powder! Note WAS, the company here in Ohio that was producing the 180gr bullets went "down the tubes" along with there alloy!
A note about your "heavy barrel"! Heavy barrels recoil less which means your on the second target faster! That would be 5 pins on the ground in 7-8 secs, and there are those(younger people) doing it in 4-6secs. When you have shot the 610 as much as the 620 then evaluate the 610! ! !
jcelect SWCA#723
 
When you have shot the 610 as much as the 620 then evaluate the 610

Again, with the wrong denomination it's 625, 625, 625, 625 - .45acp, .45acp, .45acp -

I have both and shoot them in equal amounts the 625 is just as nice - Geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz - that's all I'm saying it's just my opinion - W o W -:eek:
 
Started in 1988/89 and a collector friend told me there was a rare 41 Mag also issued but I have never seen one listed or a picture. But then I have never been interested in the 625 anyway, and never paid much attention. If one were to ask me I would say never made, but with S&W who knows.
 
Again, with the wrong denomination it's 625, 625, 625, 625 - .45acp, .45acp, .45acp -

I have both and shoot them in equal amounts the 625 is just as nice - Geeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzz - that's all I'm saying it's just my opinion - W o W -:eek:
Hey give a fellow retired Squid a "brake" I thing he was just pulling your like like I like to brag about my DW's every chance and post how much better guns they were compared to Smith's. :D

Beside's he a S&W ower, he can't be that bad. :p

Actually findng this thread rather humorus at present.

Speaking of rare guns I had a S&W collector tell me sometime back when several of us were together and couple guys got taking about 29's and then 625 and other "rare" S&W's and the guy thats a collector with a built in safe in his house about as big as most bank vaults chimed in an said that the really "rare" 625 was a 41 Magnum S&W was suppose to have made for some LE agency but don't know which one.

This same guy about died when I told him I traded my "rare" 1086 for a 686 even swap. He has been after the gun every since I showed it to him the day I got the gun. Also he thinks my Dan Wessons are crap and not to be compared to Smith's and he would not give a $100 for all 4 of mine if he had to keep them. I would have put knots on his head if we had not known each other 60 years. :eek:
 
Bought one a few years back. I went the other way though, wasn't interested in a plinker/target gun. Had hamilton bowen ream the cylinder out to 10mm Magnum. Still have the option of shooting 40/10/10 mag but I just mainly stick with 10/10 Mag. The 10mm mag is really a nice magnum round, moderate recoil and very accurate. Currently I am going to try putting some 230 WFN lead out of it and see what they chronograph.

One thing I found to be realy handy was Ez Moon Clips. Pop them in by hand and take them out by hand. Cheap and easy to use.
 
Bought one a few years back. I went the other way though, wasn't interested in a plinker/target gun. Had hamilton bowen ream the cylinder out to 10mm Magnum. Still have the option of shooting 40/10/10 mag but I just mainly stick with 10/10 Mag. The 10mm mag is really a nice magnum round, moderate recoil and very accurate. Currently I am going to try putting some 230 WFN lead out of it and see what they chronograph.

One thing I found to be realy handy was Ez Moon Clips. Pop them in by hand and take them out by hand. Cheap and easy to use.
Been wanting to do that to my 610-3 6.5" can you tell me how the turn around was and cost? Have you a link?
 
At one time there was another gunsmith doing the conversion and he would let you send in just the cylinder alone...now he requires so much $$ of work before he will accept the project. For the life I me I cant remember who it was either.

Hamilton Bowen requires you to send in the gun and a few loaded cartridges and a moonclip you use. He charged, at the time, 125.00 plus return freight.

Turn around time was about a month....but this was with a holiday in the middle of it so it probably could have been done faster.

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I have a no dash 4" 610 and just the fact that 40SW is about 1/3 the cost of 10mm in these parts makes it well worthwhile to have. I use Double Tap for full house 10mm loads but I can get Federal 40SW at about 12 per box at Wally's. I like the Ranch moon clips since they are easier to load and unload. Not to mention that moon clips are WHOLE lot cheaper than mags for semi autos,
 
I have a no dash 4" 610 and just the fact that 40SW is about 1/3 the cost of 10mm in these parts makes it well worthwhile to have. I use Double Tap for full house 10mm loads but I can get Federal 40SW at about 12 per box at Wally's. I like the Ranch moon clips since they are easier to load and unload. Not to mention that moon clips are WHOLE lot cheaper than mags for semi autos,
Where the 10 mm really shines is reloading. You should try it, you would love it man.
 

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