627, 4” vs 5”

[Mnspring]

So, looking to see what your experience is on, The 4” ‘Pro’, or the 5”, ‘Performance’.

Range shooting. DA, Open sights, 50-60 feet.
Street price, (+/-) 800.00 for the 4”. and 1050.00 for the 5”

Do you think, their will be, any, accuracy differences?

The added, trigger stop, I can do.
The, ‘flash Chrome’, Hammer & Trigger, Don’t care.

So 250.00 more, seems like a lot more, for a new 627, for 1” of bbl.

Or am I missing something ?
Thanks.

 

[S&WIowegan]

I just reviewed your targets shot with the Model 63 and am confident the 1" barrel difference won't matter.

Part of the answer to your question depends on how you plan to use the 627. I prefer the 5" bbl. for competition shooting and so do the pros because of longer sight radius and slightly better recoil control.

 

[CDR_Glock]

So, looking to see what your experience is on, The 4” ‘Pro’, or the 5”, ‘Performance’.



Range shooting. DA, Open sights, 50-60 feet.

Street price, (+/-) 800.00 for the 4”. and 1050.00 for the 5”



Do you think, their will be, any, accuracy differences?



The added, trigger stop, I can do.

The, ‘flash Chrome’, Hammer & Trigger, Don’t care.



So 250.00 more, seems like a lot more, for a new 627, for 1” of bbl.



Or am I missing something ?

Thanks.

I had both. I preferred the feel of the trigger and workmanship of the performance center. So I sold the Pro Series.


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[typetwelve]

I looked at it this way...I had to make the exact same choice last Dec. I didn't like the grips on either, or the front sight, and thought the trigger on the PC was only marginally better than the Pro.

So what did I do?

New grips (Hogue rubber no finger grooves)- $25
New Hi-Viz front sight- $25
Complete trigger rework from my local smith- $65

So I'm $115 in on top of the $$ I dropped on the 627 Pro. Still well over $100 less than the PC...which I would have had to done the same things to anyway.

 

[colt_saa]

So, looking to see what your experience is on, The 4” ‘Pro’, or the 5”, ‘Performance’.

Range shooting. DA, Open sights, 50-60 feet.
Street price, (+/-) 800.00 for the 4”. and 1050.00 for the 5”

Do you think, their will be, any, accuracy differences?

The added, trigger stop, I can do.
The, ‘flash Chrome’, Hammer & Trigger, Don’t care.

So 250.00 more, seems like a lot more, for a new 627, for 1” of bbl.

Or am I missing something ?
Thanks.

You are missing something.

The difference is not simply 1" of barrel length costing $xxx more.

There are 2 different 4" Model 627 offerings and many different 5" Model 627 offerings.

Starting with the 4" revolvers, there is a production 627 that utilizes a non-tapered barrel. This is the one with the lowest MSRP, it is also currently non-cataloged.

Then there is the 4" 627 PRO. The PRO series firearms are a hybrid product. Some manufacturing and work is done on the Production side of Smith and Wesson and some is done on the Performance Center side of the company. This yields firearms priced almost like Production guns, but with some PC features.

In this case, your main gain on the 627 PRO is one of the air gauged, match grade Performance Center barrels installed on a production frame.

Most all of the 5" Model 627s are Performance Center products. So you are getting a firearm with the match barrels plus all the rest of the manufacturing and machining occurring on the Performance Center CNCs instead of the production floor equipment.

The PC tooling is replaced more often than on the production floor, this keeps tolerances tighter, it also allows for the CNC code to be tweaked a bit differently. The PC is where the unusual configurations come from, so some features are unique to the PC

Will all of these differences be meaningful to you? Is it worth the extra money to you? I do not not know. They are worthwhile and meaningful to me

If you are truly looking for an accuracy edge in the 5" N-frame, then you should be looking at one of the Model 327 offerings that utilize the tensioned barrel system similar to the legendary Dan Wessons from the Silhouette days of yesteryear.

These are the most accurate 357 Magnum revolvers that Smith and Wesson has produced

 

[Collo Rosso]

I've got a 4" pro model. Great revolver! I've added a F.O. front sight, Hogue wood grip and a 12lb. rebound spring. Fun bowling pin gun!

 

[Wee Hooker]

My thoughts:

- I prefer the 5" barrel on my pro /pc series revolvers I think the balance is better and I do like the extra sight radius. Does it add up to more accuracy? Not sure but it adds up to more confidence and that's worth something.

_- I have redone the triggers on my 627PC,929PC, 625PC and TRR8 , 686+ Pro, SSR ......anyway. Factory triggers were better than the stock series revolvers but not by allot ( or enough to justify a cost delta) on my specimens.

-I've changed the grips on all my Pro and PC revolvers anyway.

- I've changed the front sight out on near all the PC/Pro revolvers (with the exception of the gold bead on the 625pc) anyway.


FWIW, I tend to hunt up my PC revolvers on the used market. Clean specimens are not hard to find and usually cost less than a new pro series.


Buy what YOU like and never look back.

 

[Tanners Owner]

My preference is for 4" and as such, I got the pro. Am happy with it, shoot it in USPSA matches occasionally. You can't go wrong w/ either in my mind.

That said, if the PC model came in 4" when I bought, I probably would have gone that route. A few hundred dollars is expensive at time of purchase, but over time it's not much, especially if you plan on some smith work or parts replacement

 

[Lou_the_welder]

If its going to be a range toy, get the longest one available! Yes it is more expensive but the longer sight and extra weight will help you shoot.

If in doubt, do as most on this forum do-buy both!

I have the 5" PC. And am happy with it!


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[Kingspoke]

I bought the 627 Pro Series, mainly because I didn't want a 5" barrel, and the Pro looks more stout, imo. The cost difference was not a consideration for me, and I believe that performance center differences justify the additional costs.

I may have some trigger work done at some point, but mine is primary fun range gun, home defense, and some cc.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Buy the one that feels the best in your hand & has the best fit & finish of the two.

If it comes down to $$$, buy the cheaper one. You'll still be happy.

If it just comes down to barrel length I vote for the 5" bbl.

And if it comes down to being between a 627PC or a 327TRR8 (or M&P R8) I like the later the best of mine.

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[muddocktor]

I happen to own the 4" Pro and love it. For my needs, it more than satisfied me as primarily a range toy and I used part of the extra $200 or so to upgrade it with a lighter Wolff rebound slide spring, the beaded patridge sight and some nice Ahrends stocks and still have money in my pockets. But my needs aren't yours, so ultimately you have to decide whether the extra inch of barrel and other fancy features of the PC gun are worth it to you. Plus, if you live around a gun shop that has both, go there handle both. I'm sure that one might "feel" better to you than the the other. But really, I think you will be just plain happy with either of them.

 

[Qc Pistolero]

Don't ask me.....I've been a 5'' bbl advocate on S&W N frames for the last 30 years.Darn,they are so few and far between!
Qc

 

[Mnspring]

In Waffling on the 627, (A 627 is still on the table,)
I Purchased a, S&W 929, 9mm, PC, Revolver.
(From Buds Gun Shop)
However the Titanium Cyl, on the 929, and a longer bbl, tipped the boat.
and Price, all told, about 135.00 cheaper.

It was shipped to local gun shop.
I Refused it. It had a .012 Cyl Gap,
(In comparison my 625, with about, 3,000 rounds, has a .005 gap)

It had a 5.75 S/A trigger pull. (In Comparison the 625, 2.5)
Never measured the DA, at that point, why bother.

In calling Buds, to get a call tag to the gun shop.
The, C.S. person at Buds, “Alluded” to, .012 was within Specks.

.002 very fine target work, but not dependent.
(The Monson Dan Wesson's, wonderful to change gaps very easily)
A, .006, is, 'dependent',
(Very dirty/hot, it will still not drag)
I have found, .004-5 is a great comprise.
At, .008-.010, time to put in a shim.

But a, NEW, Top of the Line Performance Center,
leaving the factory with, .012. ?

What are the odds that the next one will be better?
If you have one, what are your thoughts on it?
If anyone has one, would like to know, what your Cyl Gap is.

Not having a 9mm revolver before,
perhaps, the Cyl Gap is different?
then in a, .45ACP, .45 Colt, .44Mag/Special, .357/.38Spc, or .32, or, .22.

Or is, Buds, getting, Seconds, from S&W, (That’s why cheaper & Free shipping ?)

 

[OKFC05]

.012 is within current new specs and does not affect accuracy; MV probably.
No, it is not a "second."

 

[Mnspring]

.012 is within current new specs and does not affect accuracy; MV probably.
No, it is not a "second."

Thanks for your experience.
I am not comfortable with a, .012 Gap. (Nor a 5.3/4 S/A Pull) from a, "Performance Center", firearm. NEW out of the Box.

But again, my experience is, the smaller the gap, the better the accuracy. (Of course, to small, no reliability) So the .004/5 seems to work well.

If the, 'Specs' say, .012 is within tolerance, on a NEW PC gun, (Which after 2-3 thousand rounds, you Know it will be, .013-4.

Guess got really lucky with the 625, .005, and the 63, .003.
(The only, 'new', ones I bought, the rest are, used)

Some people, choose a firearm, as to how it looks.
Some choose a firearm, as to how it will function.
Each to their own.

I am just, stuck, on the CYL GAP, as to, a number of years, experiencing a smaller gap, leads to better accuracy.

As to M.V., Yea, but it like throwing a match in a bonfire, it will change the temp, but, (to Quote H.R.C., "What Does It Matter")

 

[BLUEDOT37]

It had a .012 Cyl Gap...
What are the odds that the next one will be better?

I'd say the odds are good of getting a better one next time, but it's really a toss-up, or luck of the draw.

Most of my S&W revolvers are in the .005"-.008" range. Got one that's .003" & one each that are .010" & .011". I don't blame you for rejecting it for that .012" gap. Beside having some that are too wide, some are not cut even.

On the 5-3/4# SA trigger, most I've gotten are in the 4 to 4-1/2# range out of the box, irregardless of which side of the S&W production line they came. Being from the PC group doesn't guarantee anything.

The M69 2-3/4" bbl. I just got had a 6# SA trigger pull out of the box (it didn't feel that heavy but measured that). A little polishing/cleaning/lube & a 14# rebound spring & it now measures 3#. I can deal with a heavy trigger, not a sloppy cylinder. If I can fix it on my own I keep 'em.

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[Mnspring]

Swell, Buds called me today, They got the 929 back, and asked me what the problem was.
(Gee, thy did not read the notes from the person I talked to, on last Friday ???)

So, May 10, I ordered, (And PAID), May 19 it arrives,
May 24, Buds called, and tells me the gun IS WITHIN SPECKS,
(Which NO Where, on Buds, S&W’s, or ANY other place, are the, ’Specks’, listed)
And they will send another one,
BUT, if it is with in Specks, I, will have to pay for return, I will have to pay a, ‘Re-Stocking’, fee.

Told then Just send back the money.

OK, Buds said, we will get it rolling, and in 1 or 2 days, will get it processed,
then in 3 to 5 days, you will get the credit.

So, they had, $1,000.00, for FREE, of My Money.
for 16 days (at minimum, and could have it for 22 days)

First time I ordered a gun from Buds,
and the Last time.

Now to be fare, this is not, ALL, Buds fault.
The Major fault lies in S&W, for producing a firearm,
which they state over and over and over, and over,
How, ‘Perfect’, and ‘Hand Crafted’ it is.

And the Next fault, lies in the 100’s of thousands of people,
that, ACCEPT, a faulty piece.
Which is NEW, and stated:
“From hand-cutting and fitting to fine tuning for precision, these firearms are top performers. Products from the Performance Center are the ultimate expression of old-world craftsmanship blended with modern technology.”

Just add a used 929/627, to my list of things to look at/for,
when I go to a Gun shop/Gun show.

And as long as, S&W can sell, what it makes, (now), very cheaply,
and sell to people that don’t care or know.
They will keep doing it. Because their is NO need to change.

So, Thanks for all the replies.
However I see, NO Benefit, to the, ‘Performance’, model S&W’s

No more need to comment.

Thanks