686 PC 2.5" vs. 627 PC 2.6"

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Okay guys looking for some opinions here. I'm looking to buy a nice new Performance Center Smith in 357 Mag. I'm considering the 686 PC 2.5" (7 shot) and 627 PC 2.6" (8 shot). I will probably use as a carry gun much of the time. What should I buy and why? What ammo shoots best out of these and what OWB holsters would you recommend? Should I also consider the 686 Plus 3-5-7 TALO 3" @ about $200 less than the other two? As you can see I like the non-fluted cylinder look.
 
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I prefer the 686 Plus PC 2.5" for concealed carry OWB. If I open carried (which I don't), I would probably go with the 627.

As to holsters, I can carry a 686 Plus PC 2.5" in a Galco Combat Master under a loose fitting tee shirt and it remains completely hidden.
 
With the revolvers available, there are size and capacity constraints/differences. The size differences are related to capacity. Choosing any of the models is a compromise which only you can address.

Ammo-wise, is also a trade-off of quickness/accuracy/penetration.
In one of my .357 Mag guns, the 640 Pro J-frame, I'm typically carrying a .38Special +P round (Winchester Ranger RA38B 130gr). I use this as a backup gun to some larger primary handgun.

In my 627 Pro, I'm comfortable carrying Winchester 145gr Silver Tip .357Mag rounds X357SHP). Concealing this 4" N-frame is harder with an OWB holster. It's a big gun.

There's an L-frame I've been considering and it's the Talo 586 L-Comp. It doesn't have the non-fluted cylinder you like, however.

I already have an alternative which is an old 2.5" Model 66, also usually loaded with the X357SHP rounds.

Edit 1/30/17: I later bought the 586 L-Comp which I'm can more comfortably shoot with .357Mag, but will usually carry .38 Special and also went to .38 Special in my M66. For the 586 3", I'm using a Galco "Speed Paddle". I'm using various models of Safariland holsters for the other two.
 
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I've got the 2.5 and 3 inch L-frames and prefer the 3". Its slightly better in several ways and no harder to carry. For me, the 3" L is what I'd choose if I could have only one.
 
686 PC 2.5" vs. 627 PC 2.6"

I've got the 686+ in 2.5 and 3".

I love them both. I carry OWB in a Lobo Enhanced Pancake or a Simply Rugged Sourdough Pancake.

They both carry about the same. I find myself shooting the 2.5" more.

If I had to walk out the door with one handgun for the rest of time, it would be one of those two.
 
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I agree 100% with the first response. 686 PC and Galco Combat Master holster. You also need a thick Galco gun belt. You will forget you are carrying it. Stay with the PC version guns. Much better triggers. Speer .357 gold dot short bbl 135 grain ammo is the best. Speer recommends this load over the 38+P for big dogs. You can find online. You can load some Buffalo Bore 180 hard cast for the woods. The 627 is too wide for carry and the trigger reach is too long for me. Stay with OWB for the 686.
 
I have the 686 PC 2.5 and carry OWB in a Galco Combat Master holster as well. I love it! I carry 125 gr critical defense 357. I have nothing negative to say about the 2.5.
 
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Love my 627 PC and matching 629 PC. I wear them at two o'clock and can wear a t-shirt for concealment. Right now loaded with Barnes TAC-XPD 357 Magnum lead free for short barrels. Good ballistics and accurate.

Muzzle Velocity: 1200 fps
Muzzle Energy: 400 ft lb
Test Barrel Length: 2"
 
Just bought 686-6 Plus Talo. In my opinion, it is too heavy to conceal carry.
 
Try the Galco Combat Master holster and the Galco SB2 gun belt. Great combo for CCW.
 
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I'm interested in either one of them also as a defensive option. It will mainly be in a man bag or a car gun so the extra bulk of a thick revolver shouldn't be an issue.

Has anyone handled both the 686+ PC 2.5" and 627 PC 2.625" side by side? The S&W website lists the 686+ lighter by 3.7oz.

Which do you think is more balanced for better follow up shots especially when using 357 magnum loads? Also, does the 627 have less felt recoil (assuming the boot grips are replaced) vs the 686 or is it pretty much the same?

By the way, I just got the M&P R8 recently and I'm comfortable with it even while shooting .357 magnum. The 627 PC is the more practical choice as I can reuse the moonclips I already have. But then, it will also be nice to have another "flavor" so I'm really curious which snub handles better.
 
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I have both. Here they are ranked with a 586 L-Comp thrown in as it is arguably a premiere carry weapon by S&W in the .357/.38 snub category and is so often overlooked.

FIRST PLACE. The 627 Performance Center 8 Shot 2.625" barrel has been my favorite shooter for five years. I have two.

627 GENERAL: At 6'1" the N frame fits my largish hands, and the trigger distance is perfect the trigger resting in the middle of my first pad. Highly accurate. Like the 586, it has been to TK Custom for a defensive action job taking a pretty good action to just about perfect. I also have a little chamfering in the chambers and moon clips just fall in. In competitive shooting against semi-autos it has crawled out on top more than once. Handles recoil exceedingly well, only hurting with game loads you wouldn't use in a defensive weapon anyway. It is fine for OWB concealed carry, I carried it today under a black t-shirt.

627 NEGATIVES: the N frame cylinder is too tubby for IWB carry, so for that I look to the L frame 586; and, the front site is very complicated/expensive to switch to night sites so I am qualified with my agency with the 586 L-Comp.

627 LEATHER: A Galco Combat Master (Pictured) for competition and I have two Galco High Ride Silhouettes which conceal better than the Combat Master particularly with shirts that don't hang so low. Also the High Ride is a thumb break and I highly recommend a level of retention. The belt in the picture is also Galco.

AMMO: See 586 L-Comp next.

SECOND PLACE. The 586 L-Comp 7 Shot 3" full-lug barrel. Just as good a shooter as the 627, incredibly well built, although the L frame is just ever-so-slightly-too-small for me, but I carry it and shoot it with full confidence. The L frame is an amazingly narrow profile for a 7 Shot, IWB carries easily. Pinned front sights made going to better night sights simple, so I qualified with the 586 with my agency for off duty carry, and it lives between the seats unholstered in my patrol car in case I'm attacked while seated in the driver's seat so I don't have to dig my retention level III holstered Glock. At 37 oz. like the 627, the 586 handles recoil exceedingly well. .357 Magnum defensive loads at 400-500 ft. lbs. of energy is no problem double action, although the latter could over-penetrate. And of course this weapon is compensated for further recoil control. While not enhancing performance, I kind of like that the trigger and hammer are drop forged steel instead of MIM; and, while a weapon is a tool and not a jewel, the 586 L-Comp is arguably among the best looking revolvers in the S&W catalogue.

NEGATIVES: the blued finish takes more TLC than stainless, the stock front sight is Tritium, but so tiny you'd have to be an owl to pick it up at night so I went aftermarket. The barrel is compensated and it is unnecessary on this weapon for defensive carry only helping with huge .357 loads you'd never use for defensive carry unless you were in the woods re dangerous game. For even hot .357 Magnum defensive loads both the 627and the 586 L-Comp has no problem with them.

LEATHER: Both a black and a tan Galco High Ride Silhouette pictured (the tan on the 686+).

AMMO: moon clip in gun is .357 Magnum Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel (300ish ft. lbs.) - both the 627 and 586 are virtually unaffected by the recoil and over-penetration is unlikely with this load. On occasion I carry moon clip reloads in a Galco speed loader pouch, and inside are defensive .38+P for the shorter cartridge accelerating re-load. For somewhat hotter short barrel .357 Magnum Short Barrel see Barnes VOR TX and Buffalo Bore. Here are ballistic tests of the .357 Magnum Short Barrel Speer Gold Dot:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4axGhtdblmI[/ame]

THIRD PLACE. PC 686+ 7 Shot with 2.5" Barrel. Acceptable shooter for sure, but just not in the league of either of the above guns. Handles recoil acceptably well. Slightly less weight. And as you can see in the pic, I switched out the grips. This weapon sees very little to no carry. Having said that, loading the 686+ with +P, this could be a great balance for someone with normal to smaller hands who wanted a little less recoil in a smaller lighter package, but still have a stout enough weapon to pack a real punch without punishing recoil and giving 7 shots. This is a fine weapon, and I would feel perfectly adequately armed with it, just for me, the other two are better yet, and I wish I had a second 586 L-Comp instead.

NEGATIVES: While only 3 oz. lighter than the 627 and 586 L-Comp, the 686+ is not as stable with hotter .38 +P or .357 Magnum. My sample did not have the out-of-the-box smooth even action of the 627 or 586, and reminded me of a new 686 SSR. The action issue is to some extent moot as any carry gun I use goes to TK Custom for a defensive action job; some folks on this site use the Performance Center for the same advanced tuning.

LEATHER: My 586 L-Comp Leather of course is interchangeable with the 686+.

AMMO: I would say Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel .38 +P for someone really needing low recoil; or ideally, a +P just a little bit hotter than the Speer SB .38+P.
 

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I noticed that several people recommended a 4" or 5" (TR8) barrel while the OP specifically mentioned 2.5" and 2.625" for the 686 and 627 respectively.

I have a 686 PC+7 and a 629 PC with these respective barrel lengths. I have no problem shooting full strength magnums in either, and the 629 is a .44 M. I should think .357 Magnums in the N-framed 627 would be no problem.

There's only about 3/32" difference in cylinder diameter, so either revolver can be concealed in an IWB. I have a Sparks VM2 for each, for 3" barrels, which work perfectly for the shorter barrels too. I wear the VM2 at 4:00, which works well both sitting and standing. I don't care much for AIWB if I must sit.

I have other PC pistols, and for some reason the DA action is lighter and smoother in N-frames than L-frames. Maybe it's luck of the draw, but I think there's a pattern.

However you cut it, an extra 3.6 oz will reduce the felt recoil, but make it slightly harder to carry. My hands are not particularly large, but I manage both equally well. For short barrels, I use boot grips (including the .44 Magnum). Besides that, do you want 7 rounds or 8?
 
There's only about 3/32" difference in cylinder diameter, so either revolver can be concealed in an IWB.

You would think, but that extra 3/32"is an IWB deal killer for me, but OWB is fine for either. Maybe the gentle edges of the fluted cylinder of my L frame is helping with perceived narrowness, whatever the case, to me it feels like a bigger difference than the close numbers suggest.

I have other PC pistols, and for some reason the DA action is lighter and smoother in N-frames than L-frames. Maybe it's luck of the draw, but I think there's a pattern.

I generally agree, and while I've only handled three PC 586 L-Comps, those samples might suggest that it is the exception that proves the rule.
 

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Okay guys looking for some opinions here. I'm looking to buy a nice new Performance Center Smith in 357 Mag. I'm considering the 686 PC 2.5" (7 shot) and 627 PC 2.6" (8 shot). I will probably use as a carry gun much of the time. What should I buy and why?....

I have a huge hand (hence Walther PPQ M2 5" nine and a PPS M2) and last week added the 686 PC 2.5 7-shot 357 to my collection! What a dream. Like those two nines, the S&W PC's trigger is fantastic while in double-action mode which is appropriate here. (I find this Smith's single-action trigger to be crazy short, but can't say there's much need for it when the double is so clean.)

So I had been eyeballing the 7 round 686 in a store and holding it, and unable to check the 8 round 627 in person. I read the 627 cylinder is a hair wider, (and the barrel is of course a bit longer). What about the grip? Well, today at a gun show, I got to hold the 627. Definitely a beauty, but for whatever reason, my pinky is falling right off the end of the handle. A total no-go for me. Same for 629 .44 next to it. The wood on the 627 PC was nice, and was different than the 686 PC. Not because my hand fits in full around the 686, not the 627, and not because I already bought the 686, I prefer the wood texture on the 686. If the woods were reversed, and I were still stuck with the 686 due to my hand fitting there, I would be perfectly happy, so I'm splitting hairs about the wood texture differences. Secondly, I was able test various OWB holsters (and ordered a custom leather one for the 686 PC 2.5") and see zero problem using the gun as my EDC, for sure in the colder months: here because the cylinder width isn't remarkable (i.e. same as the 6 round 686+). I doubt I would carry a 627 regularly, but heck, one certainly could.
While I'm a novice, I just went through this same decision. My advice is get your hands on both if you haven't already. If they're equal in hand sensation, then you can think about the 0.5" barrel +/- consequences and cylinder width. Weight (add 3.7oz for the 627) should not be a factor, in my view. Prices are equal. Having an 8th round won't matter if you never carry it. Carry 8, carry 7, [see millions of other threads, not my newbie reply.] See if you shoot one of them better than the other. For me, I know already I couldn't fire 357 mag too well unless my pinky can support too.
 
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