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Hi all, I'm considering purchasing a 686 stainless steel revolver. While looking at one yesterday I noticed that the double action pull seemed very hard. Will this get easier with use? Or would it need a different spring to give it an easier pull? I'd like to shoot it primarily DA.

Thanks,

LesterPTelestrat
 
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DA on Smiths I've had typically are considerably stiffer. With a decent slick & tune, the DA is considerably improved and quite good for fast and slow DA work.

Seems like many hammer and trigger rebound springs get installed, depending on what you're looking to achieve.

I like my range DA to measure about 5 1/2# or a little less if possible, and the SA around 2 ~2 1/4#. It's a personal choice.

IMHO 'slick and smooth' is better than 'too light'.

A good S&W trigger will give you ability to index and stage cylinder in DA, and be very close to SA break point.
 
Min, a dash 0, bought in Sept of 1985 has a smooth and slick 8lb 00oz DA pull and a 2lb 09oz SA pull. It has never been worked on and was like that right out of the box. I also have a dash 0 586 from 1985 that has a 9lb 00oz DA and a 3lb 03oz SA pull that is smooth and slick. As a comparison my 1979 Model 52-2 has a trigger pull of 2lb 10oz. My 1990 617 has a much heavier DA pull of 10lb 14oz but yet its SA pull is right down there at 3lb 05oz. I have never been able to get its DA pull lower without starting to experience occasional misfires. Neither my 686 or my 586 have ever been worked on and came that way from the factory. As has been said though, they can be worked on.
 
I have many S&W's where I have done trigger jobs. I prefer Jerry Miculek's "balanced" spring kit:

MIC-625 - $16.95 : Bang Inc., If it goes bang, we shoot it!

I demand the ability to use ANY major brand primers and want ABSOLUTE reliability. I set my revolvers up with a 9.0 lb dbl action trigger and a 3.0 lb single action trigger. All my revolvers are tuned the same, whether it is a self defense revolver or hunting. That way, all practice is transferable amongst my different revolvers.

Jerry Miculek's DVD's are done very well and explain exactly how to do an action job. They are MOST worthwhile.

Dale53
 
If it's a new S&W I'm not surprized you found the trigger a bit heavy, it seems that most are now shipping with triggers in the 11 to 12 lbs. range. Personally, I think they are doing this as an additional element of safety, it's difficult to have a negligant discharge with a trigger this heavy.

Good news is that it can be tuned to a much lighter weight, however it's best to use a gunsmith who is well aquainted with the newer Smith The frame mounted firing pins on the new guns provide an additional area of tuning that can effect both reliability and accuracy.

First, I'll tell you that you should start by running at least 500 to 1000 rounds through the gun in double action. On the MIM lockword this will do a lot for smooting the DA sear surfaces. In addition it will show any rub marks on a hammer or trigger that may require a touch of fitting. BTW, the hammer will rub the internal lock a bit and you can safely ignore that rub if it's minor.

I've been experimenting with a model 620 and now have an 8 lbs. DA trigger that is 100% reliable for ignition with Speer Lawman and is also very very accurate. The recipe is actually pretty simple, a 14 lbs. rebound spring has been installed along with an extended travel firing pin from Cylinder & Slide. As for the mainspring I've reduced the tension by installing a 0.020 inch thick handmade shim under the head of the strain screw.

Now for the bad news, if you want to take on doing this yourself you will need some items that I consider essential. First is the Kuhnhausen manual for the S&W revolver, there is a trick to just removing the sideplate and it's well illustrated in the manual, along with many other tips for smooting the trigger. Second you'll need a specific tool to install the spring for the rebound slide, without that tool doing this approaches impossible. Third is a good trigger pull gage, I prefer the Lyman digital because for 60 bucks you get a very good gage that is easy to use. You'll also want a set of fitted hollow ground gunsmithing screwdrivers so you don't bugger up the screws. Then you'll want to purchase a few small parts, personally I would recomend a 14 lbs. rebound spring and that extended travel firing pin from Cylinder and Slide. BTW, you do NOT want to use this firing pin until the DA pull has been reduced to at least 9 lbs.. With the factory mainspring setting this firing pin has the potential to pierce a primer. Something that you absolutely do NOT want to happen in a gun with a frame mounted firing pin because the only way I can concieve of to get it out of that primer is by going in from the barrel. Finally, I would suggest that you purchase one or two spare strain screws. I made those shims I mentioned using a Dremel equipped with diamond burrs and it's a bit tedious. With some spare strain screws on hand you can shorten the strain screws in alternating steps until you get the DA trigger down to 8 lbs. by trial and error.

Note, every single item mentioned is in the Brownell's catalog so if it's in stock you'll only have to pay one shipping charge. Unfortunately it seems to be a bit rare for find everything you need in stock at the same time, currently the S&W manual seems to be out of stock. When I ordered my parts kits I had to get the firing pins from Cylinder & Slide.

Finally, when I first took the 620 down to 8 lbs. I found that ignition was completely reliable using Speer Lawman as a testbed ammo. However I also found that the accuracy had degraded and saw a distinct tendancy for vertical stringing in my groups. Installing the extended travel firing pin cut the group sizes in half. Just one small change and my groups at 100 feet went from 3.5-4 inches to under 2 inches. Quite simply, if you want to push the limits on the DA trigger pull you have to pay attention to all the details, just lightening the mainspring won't cut it. I'll also warn you that the wide target hammers require a bit more power in the mainspring than the lighter service hammers, target hammers are heavier and it takes more power to get them up to speed.
 
Great info. Thanks everyone. More than I bargained for. Not sure I'm ready for the "do it yourself" trigger job just yet. The pull was smooth just heavy. I can get used to it. Love the gun. Am considering going with the Plus model to get the extra round.
 
what is a reliable trigger pull.using all primers. i know using federals you can go lighter using some think hard like cci is it different for different guns.i got my 686 down to 7 1/2 lbs and i shoot idpa so i want it as light as possable as long as it fires every time.
 
Hi all, I'm considering purchasing a 686 stainless steel revolver. While looking at one yesterday I noticed that the double action pull seemed very hard. Will this get easier with use? Or would it need a different spring to give it an easier pull? I'd like to shoot it primarily DA.

Thanks,

LesterPTelestrat

I bought a new 686 in late january ( 4" model) and the DA pull is great.....SA trigger is SUPERB. Its the same way with a 4" M629 I bought. Id beat someone with a stick if they came after mine with a stone to do anything to the triggers. I havent used a pull gauge on either sofar...but there's no way they could be some 11 or 12 pounds or even more!!!!!!

Thr 4" 617 I bought has a harder pull but Im planning on having my smith lighten it up a tad this spring when the weather gets better for outdoor shooting
 
Nothing wrong with the trigger on my 686, but then it's had several hundred rounds fired through it.
 
The very best way I've found to improve a Smith trigger pull is to go buy or rent a NEF and Charter Arms revolver. After two cylinders, go back to the Smith, you'll find it just got incredibly better:)

Just playing. I would think the trigger would improve from shooting. My stock factory 686 trigger is one of the nicest I've ever tried, but it has several thousand rounds down the tube as well.
 
I have a little over 500 rounds through my 686 3" bbl and the trigger has smoothed out significantly. No stoning or filing needed.
 
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