7.62x39 AR pricing

[Vinney47]

What is the current market value range on an AR chambered in 7.62x39? A possible deal has presented itself that I'm considering. I'm trying to get more info on the rifle, but here is what I have so far:

16" bbl
Spikes tactical lower
Magpul MOE stock, handguards, fore grip
Magpul MOE+ grip

also three 30 round mags, 550 rounds ammo.
Here is the pic he's sent me so far. Would be a private transaction posted from a local classified website.

What is the rough value on this package? The scope is a 1-4x24 of no significant brand, same as the light. Thanks

 

[JaPes]

I just got this ad in my email

Hopefully that gives you some useable frame of reference.

 

[78Staff]

Going to be hard to nail down a number on a user built gun, to be honest. Without generalizing or insulting anyone, I'd expect since some Spikes parts are involved the asking price will probably be on the high side of realistic. A lot depends on use and condition as well, obviously. Also you need more info on the components - what barrel, what BGC, etc. All affect the value ie whether generic mil-spec parts or 'premium" ie DD, BC, LMT, etc.

Advice - focus on the firearm. As you stated the additional's - ie scope, light, even the MOE gear is low cost. Don't get trapped into thinking well that's $100-200 more, etc Nail down a value on the rifle go from there. But start with fair value on the rifle and then the ammo if you want it, then any additional's.

With the Armalite, a factory build with lifetime warranty avail at $800 - I wouldn't bother with a "project gun" with no warranty, unknown use/history, etc for more than $600-$650 probably, depending on components. Add a bit for ammo and accessories, so maybe $700-$750 tops. But that's just me.

 

[JaPes]

Remember we're talking 7.62 X 39 mm Russian (round commonly used in AK-47's) and not 7.62 X 51 mm NATO. There aren't that many manufacturers that put out an AR-15 chambered in 7.62 X 39.

 

[78Staff]

Remember we're talking 7.62 X 39 mm Russian (round commonly used in AK-47's) and not 7.62 X 51 mm NATO. There aren't that many manufacturers that put out an AR-15 chambered in 7.62 X 39.

Ah good point, I did miss that. Makes my S&W comparison not so valid, but the Armalite you posted is still a good indicator I would say... So my final numbers still seem inline to me .

 

[sithlord]

Remember we're talking 7.62 X 39 mm Russian (round commonly used in AK-47's) and not 7.62 X 51 mm NATO. There aren't that many manufacturers that put out an AR-15 chambered in 7.62 X 39.

Diverging question; wouldn't an AR-15 with a .308 (7.62x51mm NATO) correctly be referred to as an AR-10, not an AR-15?

Or are the lowers that different?

And to add to the mix, 7.62 x 39mm is not the same as the 300 BLK, which is 7.26 x 35mm, which only requires a barrel change, not a new bolt and funky magazines.

 

[78Staff]

yes to all three .

S&W sells a complete 300 Whisper Upper Assy (801012) including barrel, BGC, Railed handguard, etc...I almost bought one (for what would have been an excellent price) but decided since I'm not reloading no point in getting it. Kinda regret it now, tbh.

 

[JaPes]

Diverging question; wouldn't an AR-15 with a .308 (7.62x51mm NATO) correctly be referred to as an AR-10, not an AR-15?



Or are the lowers that different?



And to add to the mix, 7.62 x 39mm is not the same as the 300 BLK, which is 7.26 x 35mm, which only requires a barrel change, not a new bolt and funky magazines.

Yes.

AR-15 = .223 REM/5.56x45 NATO

AR-10 = .308 WIN/7.62x51 NATO

The lowers are different dimensions to accommodate the different sized calibers. The most obvious difference is in the magazine well size.

Fun side fact where 5.56x45 NATO is more powerful than it's parent cartridge the .223 Remington, the opposite is true for the difference between 7.62x51 NATO and .308 Winchester. .308 Winchester is more powerful than 7.62x51 NATO.

When describing rifles chambered in non-traditional calibers for type, I reference the lower type chambered in X.

AR-15 chambered in .300 BLK

AR-10 chambered in 450 Marlin

 

[sithlord]

Yes.

AR-15 = .223 REM/5.56x45 NATO

AR-10 = .308 WIN/7.62x51 NATO

The lowers are different dimensions to accommodate the different sized calibers. The most obvious difference is in the magazine well size.

Fun side fact where 5.56x45 NATO is more powerful than it's parent cartridge the .223 Remington, the opposite is true for the difference between 7.62x51 NATO and .308 Winchester. .308 Winchester is more powerful than 7.62x51 NATO.

When describing rifles chambered in non-traditional calibers for type, I reference the lower type chambered in X.

AR-15 chambered in .300 BLK

AR-10 chambered in 450 Marlin

I also learned a few months ago that:
7.62 x 39mm bullets should NOT be used in
7.62 x 51mm cases OR
7.62 x 35mm cases

The 7.62 x 39mm bullets are approximately .311 in diameter, whereas the 7.62 x 51mm are .308. The 7.62x35 uses .308 rounds, although .309 and .310 can be used if casting (albeit with additional barrel wear due to increased pressures).

 

[thecatch8]

If you can get all of that for less than a grand I would do it. The ammo and Mags alone are $300.......Spikes Tactical makes some really nice lowers (building one now). How many rounds have been through the rifle?

 

[JaPes]

I also learned a few months ago that:
7.62 x 39mm bullets should NOT be used in
7.62 x 51mm cases OR
7.62 x 35mm cases

The 7.62 x 39mm bullets are approximately .311 in diameter, whereas the 7.62 x 51mm are .308. The 7.62x35 uses .308 rounds, although .309 and .310 can be used if casting (albeit with additional barrel wear due to increased pressures).

^ Thank you for that bit of knowledge!

 

[Woodman90]

The biggest problem with 7.62x39 in an AR15 platform is mags and feeding issues. Having said that, i have and would recommend a PWS 7.62x39. It is a long stroke piston system built around the AK 47. It is very reliable. PWS stop making these awhile back, but I have heard from a PWS rep that they plan to make a limited run of these to be released in mid May of this year due to demand for them.