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SW CQB 45
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rundown, keep us informed.
I am neck deep in Investigations with no end in sight. My load development will be limited to what I read here and what appears to work.
thanks in advance
9mm PPC accurate ammo
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rundown, keep us informed.
I am neck deep in Investigations with no end in sight. My load development will be limited to what I read here and what appears to work.
thanks in advance
FrankD45
Absent Comrade
This thread caught my eye since I have a Kimber Aegis II in 9mm. It has fixed sights and all of my "pet" loads were not even close to POA. I noticed Sgt Prestons load and gave it a try. I picked up some Zero 124gr FMJ and loaded them ahead of 4.2gr of W231 in some R-P +P cases primed with Wolf SP primers. I shot them through my Chrony yesterday and they clocked an average of 1,044 at 10 feet. The impressive thing was the maximum spread of 23 and the SD of 7! Oh, by the way, they grouped at POA too.
Thanks for a great load.
Frank
Thanks for a great load.
Frank
Sgt Preston
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Frank I'm glad the load worked from you. I honestly didn't work up the load. Another shooter gave me the bullet weight, powder & charge. I did fine tune the OAL & crimp diameter. That's what great about this Forum we all get smarter by learning from each other. By the way Frank I added a Burris FastFire red dot sight to my SA 1911 x 9mm on Friday night. It makes this old Geezer a much better shot with smaller groups. Yabbaddabadoo. Sgt Preston USMC LLA
MKT
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CQB,
I got a call from Springfield on Friday, 1911 #1 of the two gun build is finished and will be shipped tomorrow. I should have it in my hot little hand on Tuesday (FedEX overnight). Perfect timing too since I'm headed to the range for the first all day practice session of '09 next weekend.
I got a call from Springfield on Friday, 1911 #1 of the two gun build is finished and will be shipped tomorrow. I should have it in my hot little hand on Tuesday (FedEX overnight). Perfect timing too since I'm headed to the range for the first all day practice session of '09 next weekend.
OP
SW CQB 45
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Excellant!! PICS are requested!!!
I finally went shooting today. I have been trying to go since I got it but something at work or home life got in the way %*&$(%)(*&
Probably not the best day as the winds were gusting to 26mph with 10mph blowing on my right side. Plus I am fighting something that everyone has been coughing at work. Just not 100% and not sure if it was reflective in my abilities today.
I shot approx 200 rounds of FMJ to break it in. ZERO malfunctions and very mild recoiling. got to get used to that.
7, 15, 25 free standing on #1 were on. I moved to #2 is where the problems started.
25 yard barricade my shots (groups) were left (7/8/9 ring) even with left hand with the neck hold.
I lighted up on my gorilla grip and changed my braced shooting position and it seemed to help. I am assuming hard braced changes follow through and is affecting bullet impact.
50 yd was the same thing.
funny, I am not comfortable in the sitting position (weebles wobble) and I feel my extended leg (the foot is leaving the ground) but my six shot string with 115 blazer FMJ was 2 X's, 2 10's and 2 9's. never done that before.
then I switched to prone (which I thought I would be good at) and I shot left hand prone as I cannot get my big melon head close to the ground due to being left eye dominant and right handed, but somewhat ambi shooting either R/L hand. very braced and all shots felt good with a neck hold and my entire group was at 7o'clock at 7/8/9 ring!!*&^%*^$^
how can a lousy feeling sitting feeling sitting position beat the steady handed prone (I just dont know).
anyway, I know for sure I can cut out the X ring at 7 and 15 (maybe the 25) with 115 FMJ so that might be my load for up close and just need to practice more and try heavier bullets for the longer shots.
question, why did the 115 groups so well with sitting? I shot r/handed but left eye with my left arm wrapped around my left leg and my right leg laying on top of my left foot (my right foot was coming off the group) and the wrist of my right hand was up against my knee and I could feel the mag or grip up against my leg too. With every shot I would feel myself rolling back and had to regrab my knee with every shot.
I am doing that right? based on my group, it is but it just dont feel right.
I guess with a soft recoiling gun, follow through is going to be an issue.
thanks again for all the info and stuff!!
I finally went shooting today. I have been trying to go since I got it but something at work or home life got in the way %*&$(%)(*&
Probably not the best day as the winds were gusting to 26mph with 10mph blowing on my right side. Plus I am fighting something that everyone has been coughing at work. Just not 100% and not sure if it was reflective in my abilities today.
I shot approx 200 rounds of FMJ to break it in. ZERO malfunctions and very mild recoiling. got to get used to that.
7, 15, 25 free standing on #1 were on. I moved to #2 is where the problems started.
25 yard barricade my shots (groups) were left (7/8/9 ring) even with left hand with the neck hold.
I lighted up on my gorilla grip and changed my braced shooting position and it seemed to help. I am assuming hard braced changes follow through and is affecting bullet impact.
50 yd was the same thing.
funny, I am not comfortable in the sitting position (weebles wobble) and I feel my extended leg (the foot is leaving the ground) but my six shot string with 115 blazer FMJ was 2 X's, 2 10's and 2 9's. never done that before.
then I switched to prone (which I thought I would be good at) and I shot left hand prone as I cannot get my big melon head close to the ground due to being left eye dominant and right handed, but somewhat ambi shooting either R/L hand. very braced and all shots felt good with a neck hold and my entire group was at 7o'clock at 7/8/9 ring!!*&^%*^$^
how can a lousy feeling sitting feeling sitting position beat the steady handed prone (I just dont know).
anyway, I know for sure I can cut out the X ring at 7 and 15 (maybe the 25) with 115 FMJ so that might be my load for up close and just need to practice more and try heavier bullets for the longer shots.
question, why did the 115 groups so well with sitting? I shot r/handed but left eye with my left arm wrapped around my left leg and my right leg laying on top of my left foot (my right foot was coming off the group) and the wrist of my right hand was up against my knee and I could feel the mag or grip up against my leg too. With every shot I would feel myself rolling back and had to regrab my knee with every shot.
I am doing that right? based on my group, it is but it just dont feel right.
I guess with a soft recoiling gun, follow through is going to be an issue.
thanks again for all the info and stuff!!
MKT
Member
Mike,
Your sitting is actually your most stable position, in fact I regularly suggest the sitting for sighting in a gun at the 50. Based off what you wrote about your other positions I can offer a couple thoughts. Your group might move a little left/right as you move back to the 50, that is OK, get the windage dialed at the 50 and everything else will be good to go.
Your 25 barracade - sounds like you are putting way too much pressure on the barracade. If I push too hard I push left with the right hand and right with the left. Ease up on the barracde. If it is only left handed and the shots are going left it is one of two things. You are getting too much finger on the trigger and pulling the gun to the left or you aren't on the front sight hard enough and letting it drift. After re-reading your description, it sounds like a combo of both.
Also, with your sitting position, first thing - WORK BOOTS. If you try the sitting in tennis shoes you are almost guaranteed to roll onto your back a good pair of boots will give you counter balance. Next, let your arms hold the weight of your upper body not your abdominal muscles. This will allow your gut to relax and you can breathe for every shot. It is OK that the gun is in contact with your leg, just make sure if is against muscle not bone. The muscle will absorb some of the recoil and help hold the gun while bone will act as a pivot point and it will hurt. Get your sitting position under control and you'll be putting 6 X's down range in no time (it does impress when you can put six rounds under a fifty cent piece from the 50).
For the prone you have to be careful to make sure the grip frame is not in contact with the ground. That is against the rules and that contact will throw your shots off. I have tp ask if you are using prescription glasses (should have asked earlier too)? If you are, make sure the front sight is centered in the sweet spot of your focal point. If it gets out of the sweet spot your shots will drift due to the refraction of the prescription. For me, if I don't get my head just right I find the sight in the upper left of my lens. If I shoot with the sight there my group goes low left. Also, many shooters have to find a secondary aim point for the prone position, myself included. For me, my aim point moves from the neck/shoulder junction to the neck/chin for prone.
It sounds like you have the basics down, now you need to refine your technique. I will try to remember to bring the camera next weekend to get a couple shots of the positions and how to set them up. It would be much easier in person though.
Follow through is always an issue. My technique for it, especially in the longer stages of fire, is to hold the trigger to the rear until the gun comes down from recoil. Basically breathe, squeeze, boom (hold trigger back), recoil, sights come back in line with the target, release trigger and repeat. This will also help with your timing allowing you to use almost every second of your 165 for the 50. I usually finish with about 2 to 5 seconds to spare.
Make use of the dry fire targets too.
Your sitting is actually your most stable position, in fact I regularly suggest the sitting for sighting in a gun at the 50. Based off what you wrote about your other positions I can offer a couple thoughts. Your group might move a little left/right as you move back to the 50, that is OK, get the windage dialed at the 50 and everything else will be good to go.
Your 25 barracade - sounds like you are putting way too much pressure on the barracade. If I push too hard I push left with the right hand and right with the left. Ease up on the barracde. If it is only left handed and the shots are going left it is one of two things. You are getting too much finger on the trigger and pulling the gun to the left or you aren't on the front sight hard enough and letting it drift. After re-reading your description, it sounds like a combo of both.
Also, with your sitting position, first thing - WORK BOOTS. If you try the sitting in tennis shoes you are almost guaranteed to roll onto your back a good pair of boots will give you counter balance. Next, let your arms hold the weight of your upper body not your abdominal muscles. This will allow your gut to relax and you can breathe for every shot. It is OK that the gun is in contact with your leg, just make sure if is against muscle not bone. The muscle will absorb some of the recoil and help hold the gun while bone will act as a pivot point and it will hurt. Get your sitting position under control and you'll be putting 6 X's down range in no time (it does impress when you can put six rounds under a fifty cent piece from the 50).
For the prone you have to be careful to make sure the grip frame is not in contact with the ground. That is against the rules and that contact will throw your shots off. I have tp ask if you are using prescription glasses (should have asked earlier too)? If you are, make sure the front sight is centered in the sweet spot of your focal point. If it gets out of the sweet spot your shots will drift due to the refraction of the prescription. For me, if I don't get my head just right I find the sight in the upper left of my lens. If I shoot with the sight there my group goes low left. Also, many shooters have to find a secondary aim point for the prone position, myself included. For me, my aim point moves from the neck/shoulder junction to the neck/chin for prone.
It sounds like you have the basics down, now you need to refine your technique. I will try to remember to bring the camera next weekend to get a couple shots of the positions and how to set them up. It would be much easier in person though.
Follow through is always an issue. My technique for it, especially in the longer stages of fire, is to hold the trigger to the rear until the gun comes down from recoil. Basically breathe, squeeze, boom (hold trigger back), recoil, sights come back in line with the target, release trigger and repeat. This will also help with your timing allowing you to use almost every second of your 165 for the 50. I usually finish with about 2 to 5 seconds to spare.
Make use of the dry fire targets too.
MKT
Member
I forgot to add...
Save those 115's for a calm day. They are light and easily pushed in the wind. Give those 147's a try (expect a little more recoil). The Federal 147 and the Atlanta Arms 115 have the same POI in my 6" at all stages. Wind might have been a factor too since it was blowing from your right.
Save those 115's for a calm day. They are light and easily pushed in the wind. Give those 147's a try (expect a little more recoil). The Federal 147 and the Atlanta Arms 115 have the same POI in my 6" at all stages. Wind might have been a factor too since it was blowing from your right.
MKT
Member
CQB,
My SA 1911 arrived this morning right on time. Now I can't wait till Saturday get here...provided the weather turns nice. Here are a couple shots.
It is a stainless, fixed sight 5" 1911. Trigger weighs right at 4.5 pounds and the sights are slightly modified. The standard sights are either a three dot system, or if no dots the flat rear surfaces of the sights are serrated. On mine I had no dots and no serrations just plain flat black, These sights should smoke up just fine.
My SA 1911 arrived this morning right on time. Now I can't wait till Saturday get here...provided the weather turns nice. Here are a couple shots.
It is a stainless, fixed sight 5" 1911. Trigger weighs right at 4.5 pounds and the sights are slightly modified. The standard sights are either a three dot system, or if no dots the flat rear surfaces of the sights are serrated. On mine I had no dots and no serrations just plain flat black, These sights should smoke up just fine.
OP
SW CQB 45
Member
Nice, is this a handbuilt or just a slightly modified production model?
I am assuming its a production model to meet the requirements of a service model.
Hoffner did not have a holster. He suggested the 012 modified with straps.
I am assuming its a production model to meet the requirements of a service model.
Hoffner did not have a holster. He suggested the 012 modified with straps.
MKT
Member
CQB,
It is a production piece (to meet the requirements of the rule) and run through the custom shop. Hand fitted, with a few "personal" modifications such as the trigger weight and sights. The trigger breaks like butter, the slide to rail fit is tight and also buttery smooth, the underside of the ambi safety has been relieved and edges rounded as well.
Too bad Brian didn't have any holsters. I hope my revolver rig lasts as long as the one I had stolen. The 012 with the strap modification will be very secure. It just takes a little getting used to. With the muzzle platform the gun is secure just don't bend at the waist or stand on your head
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It is a production piece (to meet the requirements of the rule) and run through the custom shop. Hand fitted, with a few "personal" modifications such as the trigger weight and sights. The trigger breaks like butter, the slide to rail fit is tight and also buttery smooth, the underside of the ambi safety has been relieved and edges rounded as well.
Too bad Brian didn't have any holsters. I hope my revolver rig lasts as long as the one I had stolen. The 012 with the strap modification will be very secure. It just takes a little getting used to. With the muzzle platform the gun is secure just don't bend at the waist or stand on your head
Paul4895
Member
MKT,
Glad to see you got your stock auto. It looks exactly like mine. Did SA tell you when your other two are going to be ready/shipped.
I got my EMP last thursday. It's a real beauty. It's put together tight and the front checkering is perfect. The trigger is 4 pounds and breaks crisp. They did a real nice job on this gun.
I haven't been to the range yet to shoot it. The weather up here has been awful all week. Might have a break in the weather on friday and I'll try to hit the range then. I'll let you know how it shoots. By the way the EMP completes my ppc 1911 setup.
Glad to see you got your stock auto. It looks exactly like mine. Did SA tell you when your other two are going to be ready/shipped.
I got my EMP last thursday. It's a real beauty. It's put together tight and the front checkering is perfect. The trigger is 4 pounds and breaks crisp. They did a real nice job on this gun.
I haven't been to the range yet to shoot it. The weather up here has been awful all week. Might have a break in the weather on friday and I'll try to hit the range then. I'll let you know how it shoots. By the way the EMP completes my ppc 1911 setup.
MKT
Member
Paul,
Even though the wifey gave me the OK to spend as much as I wanted...I only ordered two. I didn't want to go too overboard so I went with the stock auto and a distinguished. I figure since I have a gov't issued long slide I don't have to worry about ordering one until the year before I retire.
Glad to hear they started shipping the EMP's, I know a few of the team ordered them as well.
Even though the wifey gave me the OK to spend as much as I wanted...I only ordered two. I didn't want to go too overboard so I went with the stock auto and a distinguished. I figure since I have a gov't issued long slide I don't have to worry about ordering one until the year before I retire.
Glad to hear they started shipping the EMP's, I know a few of the team ordered them as well.
