9mm range ammo

[Mark IV]

Is that winchester forged?

I quoted, and then responded to, your earlier question about "winchester forged", so, yeah, it's the Winchester forged
Again, it seemed safe and reliable, and was real cheap for over-the-counter 9mm, but i found accuracy lacking, and I've read a couple reports saying it was exceedingly dirty, but I didn't notice that.

 

[alexfitch225]

I quoted, and then responded to, your earlier question about "winchester forged", so, yeah, it's the Winchester forged
Again, it seemed safe and reliable, and was real cheap for over-the-counter 9mm, but i found accuracy lacking, and I've read a couple reports saying it was exceedingly dirty, but I didn't notice that.

Oops my bad man. I guess I'm still confused from firing a desert eagle from magnum research earlier today. Never fired one before.. I didn't like it at the moment, then later on after all 5 rounds of 50ae was gone I wanted more.

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[martybee]

Is that winchester forged? I've been wondering about that stuff, I've always been apprehensive about buying it though.

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It appears the manganese case coating to improve lubricity and reliability. is inconsistent and very rough making mags hard to load by hand. Also the, "Clean Burning Powder" has a lot to be desired!

The measure of savings over brass-cased target rds. is not that great.

Here is a review of the of the Win. USA-Forged 9mm Ammo by, Duncan Larsen of Loose Rounds.
Winchester USA Forged / 9mm Steel-Cased | LooseRounds.com

 

[Arik]

Good price for that. Do you know if it's Swiss, German or Hungarian?

yeah, I'm going to contact them about that. it's not like it is a discount on the shipping, and when the box screams "I'm ammo!", I'd prefer it stuffed inside another, more discreet box.

Looking yesterday on another online ammo retailer. They have Geco 124 fmj from German and Hungry. So I'll see what I bought when it arrives today

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[Arik]

Good price for that. Do you know if it's Swiss, German or Hungarian?

yeah, I'm going to contact them about that. it's not like it is a discount on the shipping, and when the box screams "I'm ammo!", I'd prefer it stuffed inside another, more discreet box.

So here are the pics. It's definitely Swiss.....or so the box says

However it is slightly magnetic. I tried putting it up to a refrigerator magnet bottle opener and it does stick. Very slightly....to the point that I lost one round. It fell and rolled somewhere and now I'm down to 999 rounds without firing a shot!

Anyway....here is round #999

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[oldfart64]

Just curious on what everyone uses really. Today I picked up some blazer brass 9 mm 115 gr, good stuff IMHO 350 rounds through my sd9ve and no issues plus I seemed pretty accurate with it. I usually use heavier grain ammo since I can get it from a good friend of mine for cheap as heck.

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I was using anything I could find cheap and 115 gr. because of dirty after effects, I have eliminated remington umm, winchester white box, blazer brass. also winchester wb and remington were inconsistent. PMC is also dirty but more accurate. It took me a while to go through what I had amased in those and I just started using heaters brass case. It is inexpensive, clean burning and accurate. So in 115 fmj that is my winner in my shield. I also started using 124gr and not found it any more accurate than herters 115 so that too is out of the picture for me. Recently I bought a couple of boxes of Federal american eagle with polymer coated bullets. they too are 115 , a bit more expensive pretty accurate and the cleanest stuff I have shot . 100 rounds and not a trace of anything in the barrel. Inside all I could find was a little carbon on the trigger bar. Now on to the good stuff, I use either 135 from freedom munitions or american eagle in 147, good, clean burning and if you wait long enough pretty cost effective, and the most accurate in my shield IMHO.

In self defense, Federal LE HST 147. I also like speer gold dot 124 gr +P, bottom of this list is carbon dpi 115 gr all copper +P (it is too hard to find and too expensive. Also eliminated from my use is federal LE HST 124gr +P (just too much recoil).

that about wraps up my view of the world.
Life is good.

 

[scoobysnacker]

Oldfart64, just letting you know: Herter's is repackaged Sellier and Bellot (S&B).
Box says so, and BTW that nice small box of 50 is the way S&B loads it too (smallest package I've seen).

Herter's tends to run a good price, but since I have a local Cabela's, the tax gets me. I find if I can buy S&B online for under $220 a case shipped, I can beat the local prices.

Just to update- Bud's is now out of Yavex. Glad I was able to scoop up what I did.

 

[scoobysnacker]

So here are the pics. It's definitely Swiss.....or so the box says

However it is slightly magnetic. I tried putting it up to a refrigerator magnet bottle opener and it does stick. Very slightly....to the point that I lost one round. It fell and rolled somewhere and now I'm down to 999 rounds without firing a shot!

Anyway....here is round #999

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Arik, have you found any difference between the RUAG products; GECO, RWS, MFS? I've seen some MFS recently at a not-too-bad price, and it's got me wondering...

 

[Arik]

Arik, have you found any difference between the RUAG products; GECO, RWS, MFS? I've seen some MFS recently at a not-too-bad price, and it's got me wondering...

I don't have enough experience with them time wise. I have some MFS 223 from years ago. They are zinc case I believe. Weren't too bad but I haven't shot them in a while..... probably a few years. Gave some to a friend last summer when he bought a M&P15 and he had no complaints

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[scoobysnacker]

Interesting deal on Magtech if you use Sportsman's Guide in the club.

It's $237 if you buy a case, but it's $9.97 if you buy it by the box of 50.
I successfully ordered 20 boxes (1 case worth) at the lower rate, and they have free shipping coupons. Came out to under $200.

 

[Nevada Ed]

Well, holly molly, look at this.

I have been loading since I was 20 or so and now at 72 years of age......................

I finally need new brass and ammo boxes for the 9mm.
Both look like the dog has chewed on them and are garbage time.

Probably will go for the 115gr but it is all good if they come with brass cases. I have Cabela's, Bass Pro and Sportsmans whse. to choose from.

Best offer will have two cases going out the door.

Don't you just love it.

 

[scoobysnacker]

Bumping this thread, for a question/observation:

for the past year or so, Sellier & Bellot seems to be a leader for range ammo. Good reviews, and consistently low price.

Currently, I see Magtech is now popping up at this price range, sometimes cheaper than S&B. I also understand the 2 companies have the same parent company, and the packaging is the same dimensions. Other than case stamp, the rounds look the same.

Question- is this actually the same ammo, just stamped differently? Same exact load and process, but different location?

 

[Arik]

Both owned by CBC, which also owns German MEN ammo manufacturer.

Magtech was created by CBC as a commercial brand while S&B and MEN were bought. Most likely those companies that were bought are bought and left alone. They are added to the portfolio but otherwise operate as they did before

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