9mm vs .40S&W Sigma Decision

During the ammo shortage, .40 S&W was available when I had trouble finding 9mm. I am still tempted by the SD 40, sigh.

Geoff
Who notes there are so many good guns, so little excess income.
 
The idea that one gets a "stopping power" advantage by going with the .40 is a case of self deception.

All of the service calibers pistols make the same hole in a body, fact of life. If a coroner or a trauma surgeon can't tell the difference in the bullet holes when they look at them then what makes anyone think the shootee can tell the difference.

Even if the ammo cost were identical I'd still go with the 9mm as it is more controlable than the .40 and beats the guns up much less.
Hell, I know very accomplished shooters who have gone to the .45 from the .40 to get less recoil and a more comtrolable platform.

On my job we've been shooting bad guys with out 9mms for many years, never had an issue with a lack of "stopping power".
 
Well Sonofthebeach I'm sorry to hear Academy has changed their policy since Christmas; that is when I bought my 40VE. Any way, whichever caliber you decide on you will be happy with the Sigma.
 
9mm vs. .40S&W

.40 is extremely popular, the ammo is almost everywhere by now. Cost is not a significant argument, because you get what you pay for. I end up having buckets of .40 brass because so many people shoot it. I rarely find 9mm brass on the range. I find loads and heeps of .40 brass. That tells me... the .40 is a great idea whether you like it or not.. because so much brass and ammo is available that you might as well have at least one .40 cal in the house. And I don't care for the low energy of the 9mm, a glock 26 gets you 250 ft pounds at the muzzle on average, a glock 22 that is .40 can get you 500 ft pounds. I carry the .40 long, that is a 10mm. I get 588 Ft pounds at the muzzle with my 135 grain COR-BON JHP in 10mm. .40 gets you more than double the energy depending on loads. By the way.. studies show.. cops train on average once every three months... really bad guys, train three to five times a week. Just a clevar fun fact at the end here. Hope you know... .40 is just better. Go with 10mm... which is the same... but longer.. G20 is where it's at for the home/hood. See my other comments. I love .40 cal.
 
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tpd223 said:
The idea that one gets a "stopping power" advantage by going with the .40 is a case of self deception.

All of the service calibers pistols make the same hole in a body, fact of life. If a coroner or a trauma surgeon can't tell the difference in the bullet holes when they look at them then what makes anyone think the shootee can tell the difference.

Even if the ammo cost were identical I'd still go with the 9mm as it is more controlable than the .40 and beats the guns up much less.
Hell, I know very accomplished shooters who have gone to the .45 from the .40 to get less recoil and a more comtrolable platform.

On my job we've been shooting bad guys with out 9mms for many years, never had an issue with a lack of "stopping power".
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More and more Police Departments have changed to 40 S&W. Interesting article by Massad Ayoob on the evolution of police ammo, i.e., 38sp, 9mm, 40 S&W, etc. "Choose your ammo...police style" is Ayoob's article on the history of and effectiveness of police firepower. Interesting stuff.
 
I have an interesting question. So, I know that A glock 20, with a (blackhawk) serpa holster-paddle on a (Bianchi) light duty nylon belt with a 5.11 concealed carry casual shirt, and a nice pair of Sig Saur shorts, makes for a wonderful concealed carry get up. It looks normal, but feels so... tactical. In all my years, I have found recently this outfit to be my favorite gheto gear. I'd compromise to a GLock 22 or .40 if I had to. An addition I'm thinking about is suspenders. Does anyone know if suspenders are a plus?
 
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somecomeget said:
I have an interesting question. So, I know that A glock 20, with a (blackhawk) serpa holster-paddle on a (Bianchi) light duty nylon belt with a 5.11 concealed carry casual shirt, and a nice pair of Sig Saur shorts, makes for a wonderful concealed carry get up. It looks normal, but feels so... tactical. In all my years, I have found recently this outfit to be my favorite gheto gear. I'd compromise to a GLock 22 or .40 if I had to. An addition I'm thinking about is suspenders. Does anyone know if suspenders are a plus?
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Suspenders are a plus if you can't keep your pants up.
 
somecomeget said:
.40 is extremely popular, the ammo is almost everywhere by now. Cost is not a significant argument, because you get what you pay for. I end up having buckets of .40 brass because so many people shoot it. I rarely find 9mm brass on the range. I find loads and heeps of .40 brass. That tells me... the .40 is a great idea whether you like it or not.. because so much brass and ammo is available that you might as well have at least one .40 cal in the house.
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I find thousands of .22LR at the range. Zero .40's Us IL people must be great shots.:cool:
 
somecomeget said:
I have an interesting question. So, I know that A glock 20, with a (blackhawk) serpa holster-paddle on a (Bianchi) light duty nylon belt with a 5.11 concealed carry casual shirt, and a nice pair of Sig Saur shorts, makes for a wonderful concealed carry get up. It looks normal, but feels so... tactical. In all my years, I have found recently this outfit to be my favorite gheto gear. I'd compromise to a GLock 22 or .40 if I had to. An addition I'm thinking about is suspenders. Does anyone know if suspenders are a plus?
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Tactical suspenders, you mean? I believe Tapco sells tactical suspenders that match the tactical flashlight and tactical pocket knife.
 
conn ak said:
More and more Police Departments have changed to 40 S&W. Interesting article by Massad Ayoob on the evolution of police ammo, i.e., 38sp, 9mm, 40 S&W, etc. "Choose your ammo...police style" is Ayoob's article on the history of and effectiveness of police firepower. Interesting stuff.
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Mas is a friend, and I read his stuff, have for years, and I've been part of the history of police departments switching guns and calibers, so I have a solid idea of the background.

I also know that much of this is political and/or emotional BS driven.


I know of a PD in NJ that switched to the Glock 22 only because the Chief didn't "want to be the last department in NJ to be carrying 9mms".
This is as retarded a decision as I have ever seen made.

I also know of other departments that have dropped the .40, or are looking to do so, because "the .40 lacks stopping power". Yes, seriously.

Two of these departments ended up with .45GAPs over the issue. Another retarded decision.

One is looking at the .357Sig currently. Whatever.

There is no magic bullet. This is a training issue, and a being out of touch with a bit of brutal reality issue, not a caliber issue.
 
Caliber wars are ridiculous.

I don't worry about which gun I happen to have on me at the time, because all my bullets are hand made by Clint Eastwood! LOL!

Lee
 
leejack said:
Caliber wars are ridiculous.

I don't worry about which gun I happen to have on me at the time, because all my bullets are hand made by Clint Eastwood! LOL!

Lee
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oh yea? well Mr Chuck Norris makes my 9mm hollow points :p
 
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