A brace of Post War Transitional 357 Magnums

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"I have two guns, one for each of you..." I`m sorry, I just always wanted to say that...

I`ve been reading on the forum for years but I`m pretty new to posting on here and this will be my first thread. I picked these two transitional magnums up separately a few years apart, the blued one first at a gunshow and the other one at an estate gun auction a couple hours away. I decided to do a thread on these since the forum is the first place I went to for more information about this particular elusive model after I traded for the blued gun and looked it up in the Standard Catalog after I got home to see what I had.

The first thing I noticed when I got my hands on the blued gun was the prewar grooved hammer on the same gun with a postwar sight and S prefix 71,800 range serial number. I was aware of postwar transitional guns and had a few K and N frame .38`s but I`d never seen nor heard tell of a transitional magnum so I wasn`t completely sure of what I had. I`ve always had a thing for the 5 inch and shorter N frame 357`s so I knew I needed this one too, whatever it was. I spent the better part of that night reading and learning about the transitional magnums and felt mighty lucky to have stumbled upon one. I`m not a rich guy and I knew I could sell it at a hefty profit but never really considered it because where would I ever find another one???

You can imagine my surprise when I checked on a big estate gun sale I`d heard about in another town and saw a picture online of the silver finished gun which I believe to be aftermarket chrome but at the time imagined might be factory nickel. It was listed in the auction catalog as a "model 63 357 magnum" or some such rubbish and the serial number they listed wasn`t even close to being correct but even in the small blurry photo I could tell I was looking at a 5 screw N frame with a prewar hammer and postwar sight despite the 70`s era wood grips it was wearing. Could it be?? After a long drive the day before the auction to preview everything I saw that sure enough, it was. Thanks to the 40 degree temperature causing condensation to form on the guns and the poor lighting I thought with the hammer, trigger, sights, and ejector star not being plated I thought it might even be factory nickel. I couldn`t sleep worth a darn that night thinking about it... It turned out to look more chrome than nickel in the daylight the next day, but I pounced on it anyway as it was one of the few S&W`s there that didn`t go for about 125% of their full retail value. It`s hard to put a value on this one I suppose since it`s been chromed and I`m not aware of any similar refinished 3 1/2" transitionals selling at auction lately but I guess it doesn`t matter since obviously I can`t sell it either.

I contacted bmg60 with the serial numbers for his database and he supposes that both were probably shipped to the Kansas Highway Patrol in the same 25 gun shipment. I haven`t lettered either of them yet but it is on my list of things to do. Does anyone on here have any idea when KHP quit using these and surplussed them out?
 

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Good heavens, Lawman!! You may not post here often, but you sure know how to get our attention!! What a pair of beauties!!!

Of course you have the gun right there, so I guess you can tell, but that plating job looks pretty good in your photos. Are there any markings to indicate that it might be a factory plating? Under the stocks on the frame? An R-N? Are you sure that it is chrome and not nickle? Just curious...

Please keep us appraised of any additional information you get on them.

Best Regards, Les
 
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I love the one in blue. The wear and tear just talk to me, and my hands want to wrap around those worn grips.

Nice pair.

I know what you mean. As a history lover and a professional gun carrier myself I like a gun that has been carried and has a story to tell even if I don`t know what the story is. Speaking of the grips, they aren`t numbered to the gun but they are within 10 or 12 numbers of the gun so I imagine they got switched with another gun that got shipped to the same department.
 
Good heavens, Lawman!! You may not post here often, but you sure know how to get our attention!! What a pair of beauties!!!

Of course you have the gun right there, so I guess you can tell, but that plating job looks pretty good in your photos. Are there any markings to indicate that it might be a factory plating? Under the stocks on the frame? An R-N? Are you sure that it is chrome and not nickle? Just curious...

Please keep us appraised of any additional information you get on them.

Best Regards, Les

Thanks again, Les. The finish does look pretty good but it looks too silvery to be nickel and doesn`t have that goldish tint that nickel guns have. Also you can see a waviness to the finish at the right angle that a factory finish wouldn`t have. At least they didn`t plate the sights and hammer/trigger and the markings are still good. There aren`t any factory refinish marks under the grips, but there is an old gentleman`s SSN and DOB electro-penciled onto the frame.
 

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Mr. Jinks says that both the blued S71800 serial range gun and the silver finished S71700 serial range gun were shipped in December of 1948, but that he saw some yet to be verified indication that the silver finish gun might have been a special order. I guess I need to go ahead and put these 2 at the top of my list of guns to get factory letters for now that I just received the last batch of letters in I`d sent off for on a 6 1/2" 1950 target with bright finish and ramp sight in .45 Colt, a 2" nickel prewar 1905 model M&P, and what was once a factory 5 1/2" nickel Registered Magnum that has undergone a most unfortunate series of refinishing and parts changes over the years.
 
What is that plugged hole just below the thumb piece on both revolvers? It reminds me of the keylock hole that so many of us object to.
 
What is that plugged hole just below the thumb piece on both revolvers? It reminds me of the keylock hole that so many of us object to.



Hammer stud; they weren't polished flush pre war.
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What is that plugged hole just below the thumb piece on both revolvers? It reminds me of the keylock hole that so many of us object to.

I think that what you are seeing is the end of the pivot pin that the hammer rotates on, which on the early guns showed on the outside. It has a real name, which for the moment eludes me.

Edit: Kris was typing faster than me...also knew the correct name!!!

Best Regards, Les
 
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I'd love to see some photos of this one...please.:)

I will get some pictures of it when I get a chance and probably start a new thread on it so everyone can join me in my amazement and disgust about how such a rare and valuable gun ended up. It has a factory work date of 12.52 on the frame when I imagine they installed the nickel 3 1/2" post war barrel that is numbered to the gun and a matching post war adjustable rear sight but evidently sometime before that the gun was aftermarket chromed (including the hammer and trigger). For some unimaginable reason the frame and cylinder weren`t factory refininshed when the nickel barrel was installed resulting in a bizarre chrome/nickel 2 tone.
 
I'd love to see some photos of this one...please.:)

Here are pictures of the reg mag, #1661. Shipped Dec 1st 1936 to F.L. Gastavas in Memphis TN with a 5 1/2" barrel and nickel finish. Aint that a shame?
 

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Here are pictures of the reg mag, #1661. Shipped Dec 1st 1936 to F.L. Gastavas in Memphis TN with a 5 1/2" barrel and nickel finish. Aint that a shame?

It has a very distinctly 'loved' and 'well-used' look about it. I would imagine that it has some miles on the odometer in the care of a lawman who was serious about bringing enough gun to the party.

If you need to hide the shame, send it to me or my dad, we LOVE old LE guns....I have a Non-Reg mag that shows an almost equal amount of love ;)
 
Here are pictures of the reg mag, #1661. Shipped Dec 1st 1936 to F.L. Gastavas in Memphis TN with a 5 1/2" barrel and nickel finish. Aint that a shame?

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That there gun has "character".:cool: Although it is disappointing that it was modified in the first place. I do like the modifications - 3.5" barrel with a Patridge FS, and what looks to be a bit of smoothing on the edges of the trigger - pretty cool! I'll bet that baby is a smooth shooting long-action .357 lead slinger and a total blast at the range. :)
 
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