A Couple Of Holster Questions

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SD Myres, George Lawrence Co., and H.H. Heiser seem to be the best known vintage holster makers. Each seem to have some holster styles that resemble one another. After I got my Myres "Jockstrap" style holster, I did some research. I knew that Lawrence made them, and have seen a few excellent ones posted here, but I don't think I have ever seen one made by Heiser. Have I overlooked it in my research or did they never make that style? If they did not make one, I wonder why.

What makes a holster a "Field Side Holster" and is a Threepersons Holster this style?
 
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Google "field side holster" and "threepersons holsters". Larry

So anything worn on a belt on your side, not a shoulder or chest rig which would include the threepersons holster. I must have been living in a hole, since I had never heard that description. I always called them "classic carry", but I guess that is more a category instead of a style.
 
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The earliest Myres catalog I have is dated 1931, the cover speaks for itself-their deluxe Ranger holster.

Lawrence first shows their model 130 holster in the 1949 catalog-my pre-war and 1947 catalogs don't show this model.

As far as I can tell Heiser never offered this design,at least in my catalogs stretching from 1919 up into the 1960's.
Your other question is one of semantics but here's my two cent opinion- a field holster is Lawrence's model 25 or one of many Heiser models called "loop style belt holsters".

The Threepersons holster was designed by a law man for law enforcement use, I've always considered it the mainstay of the first half of the 20th Century's law men, agents and detectives. That being said, the holster I most wear when I'm in the field is my Myres Threepersons with a safety strap.
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turnerriver
 
SD Myres, George Lawrence Co., and H.H. Heiser seem to be the best known vintage holster makers. Each seem to have some holster styles that resemble one another. After I got my Myres "Jockstrap" style holster, I did some research. I knew that Lawrence made them, and have seen a few excellent ones posted here, but I don't think I have ever seen one made by Heiser. Have I overlooked it in my research or did they never make that style? If they did not make one, I wonder why.

What makes a holster a "Field Side Holster" and is a Threepersons Holster this style?

Turnerriver's answer is always spot on about Heiser. I suspect he meant 'second half of the 20th Century' for the threepersons popularity with lawmen? Heisers and Myres got this going in earnest circa 1940 and non-threepersons styles lasted until about 1960, and threepersons styles took over until we designers all started following Gaylords and Theodores lead by 1980.

Personally I would advise that the term 'field holster' - check a holster catalogue - is a reasonably full coverage holster designed for carrying big pistols without concern for bulk. These are carried either on wide gunbelts, on the 'hip'; or as shoulder or chest holsters.

Its alternative is a concealment holster, designed for relatively compact pistols with a focus on minimising bulk. These are also worn as belt or shoulder holsters; but also in many other areas around the body. Theodore was the most adventurous in choosing other locations :-)

A threepersons, attributed by Myres to the lawman, is best understood as one that dispenses with the leather 'hoop' surrounding the trigger guard as shown in turnerrivers pics; and incorporates a leather spacer or 'welt' that the front of the guard rests on. Tom Threepersons own holster, which appears to be a Myres, carried his revolver nearly vertically. So a grip-forward rake is not really a part of how we would properly define a threepersons; nor is a high ride.

We've come full circle since Heisers early 1900s holsters by covering the guard and the trigger, largely because of the big switch to autos, although Heisers for autos are pretty common on auction sites.

Turnerriver has made me realise that heiser didn't make the Ranger aka jockstrap holster! Putting that together with heiser catalogues laying claim to so many designs and features that we take for granted today, perhaps it's possible that in those days, holster makers created their own designs to respond to a competitive threat, rather than copying? John will weigh in here, please?
 
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Red Nichols is always an excellent source of information. I will join in on only one small point.

Attached photo shows Tom Threepersons' original holster, now in a private collection. Attributed to "Tio Sam" as S.D. Myres was known ("Uncle Sam" in Spanish), about 1920, made for the Colt Single Action Army .45 revolver with 5.5" barrel. As the photo shows, the belt loop is made for a noticeable butt-forward cant.

The original, as well as many that followed (by Myres, El Paso Saddlery, George Lawrence, and most other makers of the 20th Century) featured very wide belt loop openings, frequently 3" or more. While this allowed use of the holsters on a wide variety of belt widths it also allows the holstered revolver to move around quite a bit on the belt, and to tip or rock back and forth; not the most stable means of securing the revolver. Some made a point of some value to this, and a FBI training film (c. 1960) shows a drawing technique in which the revolver is gripped, then the holster is rotated forward during the draw while the shooter entered the then-popular "crouch" position, shooting arm extended toward the target, and off-side arm clutched across the chest (recommended as protection of the vital organs against return fire).

Like most makers of my period I have offered the Threepersons style for decades and have made hundreds of them. The design lends itself to neutral cant, forward cant, or reverse cant (cross-draw applications), and the belt loop can easily be made and formed for the intended belt width to be used.

There have been many designs come along that may be better for certain uses, but none that have the classic appeal of this elegant holster.

Best regards.
 

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Don learned his craft at the George Lawrence Company. We still make the Elmer Keith three persons holster and the 1C field holster. They are Ted Blocker Holster number 1920 and 1921.
 

"Field side holster" is the selle's term for this Heiser-Keyston, which H-K itself called a "safety strap belt holster". It's not that his title is incorrect; it's just that it's not a generic term.

I think it's worth wondering what a threepersons is, and is not. My description is perhaps what it has come to be, rather than what it was, because Myres himself defined a threepersons in three different styles: as a belt holster, strong side, with the trigger guard hoop fully exposed, with it enclosed, and as a shoulder holster!

14 heiser 1922 w 1908 dates x 2 (2).jpg This one from Heiser is, I believe, from their 1922 catalogue, though it has two 1908 dates on front and back covers.

1931 myers (1).jpg This one is what we believe to be Myres' first holster catalogue, 1931.

1931 myers (2).jpg Ditto; note that it is a "skeleton" spring shoulder holster.

1938 myres (5).jpg Myres 1938, when the classic Myres scabbard appears, of FBI fame.

32 heiser 1939 first  appearance 457 (8).jpg What we believe to be Heiser's 1938 or 1939 catalogue.

The original Threepersons holster I was referring to is this one, which I cadged from a thread on this Forum, and is dated (it says) from the late 1930s. The holster that Lobo shows is a factory Myers that was not introduced until their 1938 catalogue.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-hand-ejectors-1896-1961/100128-s-ws-tom-three-persons-holster.html See post #34 and another that follows.

In my definition I omitted that the classic threepersons also has a closed muzzle. And that it appears that the ride height was defined by the grip being high enough that the shooter's knuckle could grasp the pistol with full clearance at the top of the belt.

You'll see from both the Myres, and the Heiser catalogues; and the black Threepersons from the mentioned thread; that a thick welted seam appears to be essential; note that the much older Heiser pocket holster is riveted there and likely did not have the welt.

So: I call them all "scabbards" and I leave old Tom out of it altogether. Scabbard is truly more dispositive of the concept.
 
Attributed to "Tio Sam" as S.D. Myres was known ("Uncle Sam" in Spanish), about 1920, made for the Colt Single Action Army .45 revolver with 5.5" barrel.

I think it's a 'fun fact' that, according to a monograph on him that I ran across on one of these forums, Myres acquired his nickname by the end of WWII, from the Hispanics because of his having grown his white beard and long hair to resemble "Uncle Sam . . ." of the famed ". . . Wants You" posters.
 
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A 'field holster' is a holster intended for use carrying a sidearm more or less openly in the outdoors while hunting or doing other work. Typically a field holster provides protection from the elements and is not designed (primarily) for fast acquisition (fast draw). A field holster is not particularly designed as a concealed or hideout holster.

One should note a great deal of 'cross over' in the holster world. For instance, a shoulder (properly 'armpit') holster may be initially intended as a concealment holster, but will also carry a suitable sidearm while working outdoors or hunting and afford protection. Some 'duty' holsters initially intended as law enforcement uniform holsters may also serve as field holsters.

One should also note many rather poorly designed holsters are sold as 'field holsters'. The great attraction is they are cheap. This sort of holster is poorly fitting, allowing the sidearm to move in the holster, promoting finish wear. Typically the material is either cheap, thin leather or some fabric with barely sufficient stitching; these don't last very long and can physically fail (fall apart) in use. Caveat Emptor!

A proper "Tom Threepersons" holster is a strong side, muzzle to the rear, minimalist design as shown in the photo attached to the original posting. An 'original' Tom Threepersons holster was made by him. Since his time, most everyone and every one's dog has jumped on the bandwagon, as it works very well as either an open carry or concealed defense sidearm holster. (Look up Tom Threepersons - very interesting character.)
 
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