A Good Friend and a Pre War Heavy Duty

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Awhile back a friend, and forum member, was at a gun show (in his home state of PA) where he had displayed several nice S&Ws. He had a dealer come up and look at the display, which included a few 38/44 Heavy Duties, ranging from a 4" Pre War to a 5" transition. He then stated, we have a pre war 5" HD with magnas for sale in our shop. After the show, I was talking with my friend and he mentioned the story and that he may go check the gun out and see if it really was a Pre War. He also mentioned that he sort of hoped the magnas were not numbered to the gun as he needed a set for another revolver. I casually mentioned to him that I'd been wanting to find a nice pre war HD, and he said he would more than likely sell it (potentially without the magnas if they happened to not number to it) as he had purchased several nice revolvers over the last month or so. I am certain, however, if the gun had a Humpback Hammer, I'd have never got a shot at it! ;)

The next week, my friend headed off to take a look at the gun and see just what it was. It turned out to be exactly what it was advertised as; a Pre War 5" HD, with matching magnas! It was in nice shape, having blue wear from use. He ended up buying the gun and after he got home, he sent me a few pics and we talked about the gun and whatnot. He decided he didn't "need" it at the time, having already spent a healthy sum on several other revolvers recently (plus he has a factory 4" Pre War HD to hold him over ;)), and we came to an agreement on a fair price. I was very happy when it arrived :)



























SUPER CLEAN frame and back of magnas!























Soon after receiving the HD, I sent out for a Factory Letter. Its configuration isn't rare, nor was it in question, but I just had to know more about it; it's one of those guns that has honest wear on the outside, but was really clean on the inside and looked hardly fired. My gut feeling was it could be a police gun and I mentioned that to my friend and he joked that if it lettered as a police gun, I'd owe him some more money!!!

Well, it was not long until I received the letter (less than 20 days to be exact; thanks to Roy, and Don, for the great turnaround time since they started back up! ) and my hunch was correct! The HD shipped 12/29/1936 to Columbiana County Sheriff Harry L. Gosney, Columbiana, Ohio in an order of 6 identical units (5", blue, magna stocks). To say I am thrilled would be an understatement; a nice Pre War HD is one thing but to have law enforcement provenance AND be a gun from my home state of Ohio is a pretty good bonus; and something I'd have never known if I wouldn't have sent for the factory letter.



I guess I owe my friend for this one (actually, I think I "prepaid" him a year or so ago on a pretty rare S&W accessory ;)) Thanks Jim!



Here is a shot of the letter and of the gun with a period box of 38/44 ammo and a Brill-style holster made just for this gun (actually fitted using another 5" PW HD). Thanks again for the holster Alex! :)











 
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Very nice HD there sir.
I'd say you owe your buddy a steak dinner.
Let us know how it shoots.

Chuck
 
Columbiana County Sheriff's record indicate he served from1937-39. There are Youngstown Vindicator and Evening Review articles about him which I haven't read. 1940 Census shows him as sheriff and his wife Mary as county jail matron. One of the Vindicator articles refers to him preparing to serve 26 capias warrants from a grand jury proceeding. Interesting for an (apparently) brief career as sheriff.
 
It is often said "this forum has been quite an education" and I personally echo these remarks. I am happy this forum exists because I have learned much here and made friends along the way. I have been collecting S&Ws for about 5 years now, and I have amassed a modest collection of vintage S&Ws. While I have many unique models that I yearned for at one time, I have many more I would like to find, and some I would like to upgrade - with S&W, the collecting quest is never quite done.

I myself was educated recently about this very gun. After finding it, as Kris mentioned, I contacted Kris to see what he thought of it. I remember being excited about the gun at first, and then deflated as I learned more about it. Due to my inexperience, I personally had no idea that these "large frame M&Ps" were not very desirable in today's market. Kris explained to me that the smaller K frame M&Ps are more rare and desirable - here I thought it was the opposite! Kris was very kind and patient in explaining to me exactly what I had. When I told Kris that at least the grips match, and that they were pre war magnas he replied "Where are the cokes - everyone loves cokes, that knocks $500 off the value right there" I replied "its pre war, I thought it wouldn't have cokes?" Kris then said "well just deduct $300 then". Once again, I had no idea the truth about the grips but I appreciated the insight from my friend. I then pointed out that at least it wasn't reamed for 357 mag, but once again I was looking at the gun from my woefully ignorant and biased view point. Kris replied "its going to cost me at least $200 to have it reamed so I can shoot 357 magnums through it" - I had no idea its better to buy these reamed out the gate. I am still learning of course. I then meekly said "maybe it could have an interesting letter" to which Kris astutely commented "how could it have led an interesting life when it has such nice condition? it probably shipped to Wilson Bros hardware Topeka, KS. On top of that, its the most common configuration anyways" At that point I was embarrassed that I bought the revolver, but Kris quickly assisted me with my collecting debacle by offering to take the revolver off my hands, if I promised to be less impulsive next time. We agreed, I thanked him, and Kris bought the gun off me luckily. Kris got somewhat lucky with the letter, but as he said, he assumed the risk, and he is entitled to the reward bestowed.

The point of this story is just how humbling S&W collecting can be at times. I went in there, saw the revolver, felt confident in myself, bought it, took it home, and then learned the mistake I had made. However, despite the mistakes we sometimes make, it is nice to know that inside this collecting fraternity, there are people you can trust, and friends who are there to help you. Without Kris's advice and insight, I may have showed the gun off at the April 23 regional meeting in OH, and suffered the jeers and snickering of others who know better than myself what the gun actually is. No one knows everything, and I appreciate all the help I can get!

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Absolutely fantastic post. Pictures and text were excellent, interesting, and informative. Thanks.
 

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