A pair of .22 Third Model Single Shot Perfected Pistols

[Vidd]

I have 8035 and it's definitely one of my favorites.

Very nice example I see large logo on right side

 

[Vidd]

No. 788x, Lettered:

Another nice example with logo on right side

 

[Vidd]

Question do both guns have matching serial numbers on frame Barrel and latch assembly

I would think serial number 9942 would be large logo on right side not small logo on left?

 

[ol777gunnerz]

info

Another H M Pope barreled & modified with sights apparently for an older shooter [like me], trigger stop & lead weight inside the frame under the grips.

 

[mfholmes]

Another variation

I know I've posted info about this in an earlier post, but I just couldn't resist adding this to the record in this post. This is an example of what someone came up with after seeing the .22 Third Model Target and then finding some parts from a Colt Camp Perry. Very interesting take on a Schofield that someone didn't have a use for. I present to you o ) Schofield Camp Perry . . . .

 

[0le]

I purchased a like S&W about a year ago.Guess I need to remove it from the safe and take a closer look

KennyB, I didn't see anyone respond directly to your post. My thoughts, you can read what other owners think of their pistols, and compare to yours. What accuracy can be expected from these arms?

 

[t.hulbert]

im looking for trigger guard for one of these!!!! no of any?

 

[mrcvs]

Very nice single shots everyone!!!

#9607 shipped 1921 with 10" Olympic barrel, logo on left side and grips w/o medallions:

Yours, No 9607 has the S & W logo of the same style as mine on the left side, as well as "Smith & Wesson" on the left side of the barrel, and "22 LONG RIFLE CTG" on the right side of the barrel. Just the same as mine does, No 9924.

Of course, two examples does not a survey make, but it seems the identical markings on pistols that shipped about the same time, 1921 and 1922, strongly suggests that the markings depict as it was then, as just the three markings are subject to a wide array of variations and locations, at least potentially so.

Interestingly, the stocks on mine contain medallions, whereas the stocks on this pistol, numbered 317 previous to mine, contain non medallion stocks. Of course, Smith & Wesson never shipped sequentially by serial number, but, in this case, mine, being serially numbered later than this gun, also shipped later.

So, the question is, were pistols such as these randomly assembled out of sequence, which could explain why mine, which has a later serial number and ship date, has earlier style stocks, than this one, with an earlier serial number and ship date and later style stocks.

Of course, one or both sets of stocks on one or both of these pistols may have been switched with a different set of stocks at a later date, but this is not definitive, of course.

Thoughts?

 

[HoundDog316]

Mine is S/N 974X, ship date unknown. It has the Olympic barrel, and non-medallion stocks. And they have a different shape than those of Skippyjon. There is no pencil S/N on the stocks either, but I have no reason to believe that they are not original. Otherwise same markings--small logo on left side, nothing on right side, as well as "SMITH & WESSON" on the left side of the barrel, and "22 LONG RIFLE CTG" on the right side of the barrel. Also has patent line on top rib. Anyone have a ballpark as to the value?

 

[HoundDog316]

Hopefully the picture shows up this time.

 

[RGNewell]

Here is my 2nd model 8" nickel, I have a first model 8" nickel on the way to me.

 

[Vidd]

Logo

Yours, No 9607 has the S & W logo of the same style as mine on the left side, as well as "Smith & Wesson" on the left side of the barrel, and "22 LONG RIFLE CTG" on the right side of the barrel. Just the same as mine does, No 9924.

Of course, two examples does not a survey make, but it seems the identical markings on pistols that shipped about the same time, 1921 and 1922, strongly suggests that the markings depict as it was then, as just the three markings are subject to a wide array of variations and locations, at least potentially so.

Interestingly, the stocks on mine contain medallions, whereas the stocks on this pistol, numbered 317 previous to mine, contain non medallion stocks. Of course, Smith & Wesson never shipped sequentially by serial number, but, in this case, mine, being serially numbered later than this gun, also shipped later.

So, the question is, were pistols such as these randomly assembled out of sequence, which could explain why mine, which has a later serial number and ship date, has earlier style stocks, than this one, with an earlier serial number and ship date and later style stocks.

Of course, one or both sets of stocks on one or both of these pistols may have been switched with a different set of stocks at a later date, but this is not definitive, of course.

Thoughts?

Okay here goes my only thought .let's say a thousand frames stamped had the small logo done on the left side. Weren't serialized until the gun was put together only way to explain low number and high number serials I believe the same goes for the barrels stamped different times serial numbers put on them when assembled

 

[ol777gunnerz]

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To add, your observations are spot on. Wish I could post larger res photos but you saw them well even small like this. Here's the top of the barrel, assuming all of them have the same notice there:

Nope, the other version of 3rd Model barrels have a single line address.

 

[mrcvs]

Nope, the other version of 3rd Model barrels have a single line address.

I'll have to look at my pair when I'm home later today, and will post photographs. I assumed the barrel address would be uniform throughout production but, maybe not.

 

[PALADIN85020]

Have you shot the two side by side to see which is more accurate? I would expect the S&W to be more accurate because it eliminates the cylinder gap.

The Colt Camp Perry did not have a cylinder gap. The piece that substitutes for the cylinder is an integral part of the barrel, and when it swivels out for loading, the barrel does also. See the pics below of one shipped in 1927, compared to my Perfected target pistol, shipped in March 1914.

John

 

[Borderboss]

The Colt Camp Perry did not have a cylinder gap. The piece that substitutes for the cylinder is an integral part of the barrel, and when it swivels out for loading, the barrel does also. See the pics below of one shipped in 1927, compared to my Perfected target pistol, shipped in March 2014.

John

Thanks for the explanation. That's why I love threads like this. I learn a lot.

 

[LT7d103]

Thank you gentlemen for the interesting history lesson on pistols I had no knowledge of.

 

[mrcvs]

Well, I'll be darned! I never paid close attention to the barrel addresses and, sure enough, they differ! The first photograph is the one line, no patent dates, barrel address of No 6559, this pistol having shipped in 1913. The second photograph depicts the 2 line barrel address, with patent dates, of No 9924, this pistol having shipped in 1922. This is why it's fun to have duplicates of the same firearm as it's the easiest way to identify variations. Again, all serial numbered components of each pistol are matching.

 

[Vidd]

Well, I'll be darned! I never paid close attention to the barrel addresses and, sure enough, they differ! The first photograph is the one line, no patent dates, barrel address of No 6559, this pistol having shipped in 1913. The second photograph depicts the 2 line barrel address, with patent dates, of No 9924, this pistol having shipped in 1922. This is why it's fun to have duplicates of the same firearm as it's the easiest way to identify variations. Again, all serial numbered components of each pistol are matching.

Okay for argument's sake. let's call one line Barrel first gen and left side logo frame first gen then two line address 2nd gen. right side logo second gen .we seem to know Smith & Wesson kind of put all their parts in one bin when the Builder made the weapon they grab the new 2nd gen frame. and matched with first gen Barrel then serialized when assembled only thing that makes sense to me

 

[ol777gunnerz]

USRA

By far the easiest to open, load, shoot, & has an actual ejector which throws the spent round several feet, is the H&R USRA Model 195 single shot 22lr target pistol. Mine as shown is from the tail-end of production with all the latest improvements made by Walter Roper. Over the yrs. with all of the different barrels, triggers, hammers, grips, etc. it is estimated only as many as seven of them are exactly alike.