While you guys are chastising and criticizing this guy for getting involved, I'm thinking of the potential bloodbath he prevented by stopping these armed pieces of garbage from entering the store. The employees, customers and their families owe this guy a huge debt of gratitude...because he didn't take all your advice and walk away.
ABQ man shot at Smith's after intervening in suspicious activity
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It's easy to be fearless and brave while typing under the warm glow of a computer screen. Just saying.
Doug M.
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There are smart and stupid ways to get involved. He picked stupid. As for leaving his phone home, that's a sign of how stupid. A phone is part of one's safety/rescue gear. I carry mine religiously just because of stuff like this, and I also wear an earpiece when outside my house so I can get relatively hands free if there is a bit too much excrement in the fan.
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Doug M.
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FWIW, if a sole LE officer were to do that interacting before backup arrived, it would still be stupid, and that's a person who is wearing body armor, should have a rifle, and and is duty bound. The courage is not the issue - the tactical realities are.
I think most of us are shutting our mouth,leaving the parking lot then calling 911
I am under the impression the security he told was in the store which puts him in a bad situation.
One should assume three people putting a mask on during the day ,that are likely going to have a gun.
Can still prevent a bloodbath by walking away and calling 911.
I damn sure wouldn't engage 3 people, and by saying something to them you ARE engaging them.
Get clear, call it in, go home.
Long ago a forum member from flyover country reaffirmed my belief that my first responsibility is to get me and mine out of there alive and call it in.
I guess this firmly and happily entrenches me among the gutless wonders.
I guess this firmly and happily entrenches me among the gutless wonders.
Me too, brother!
LVSteve
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Smith's has a special on hair color right now. He couldn't go home empty handed, could he?
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Yup, it sure is. But I can also say been there done that. I95, just over the SC state line, late 80's. Highway Patrolman alone wrestling with a guy he pulled over, I stopped, I helped. Unlike the shields in this thread, he was grateful for the help and did not tell me I should have run away. And the guy was stupid because he forgot his phone? Give me a freaking break...saying forgetting to bring your phone is stupid is...stupid.
I worked I-40, I-25, and I-10 alone and at night with no back up. In thousands of traffic stops, a few hundred arrests (mostly DWI, but dozens of felony stops), no citizen stopped to help me. Thank God - then I would have had even more to control. Add to that the reality of escort vehicles following dope loads and illegal cash transportation, often in millions of dollars, and you have really valid reasons not to trust an unknown person, no matter how well meaning, interjecting themselves into an unknown situation.
On the other hand, folks regularly stopped to help with traffic control and occasionally first aid at traffic accident scenes - those folks were much appreciated.
On the other hand, folks regularly stopped to help with traffic control and occasionally first aid at traffic accident scenes - those folks were much appreciated.
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Always appreciate your contribution here Matt!Ματθιας;142183367 said:
Was this guy just thinking out loud?
He did not figure out what was going on and then decide to intervene.
He is realizing what is going on AS he is speaking.
Am I wrong?
If I am right then most of our comments are not addressing the actual situation.
BrianD
Doug M.
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There is a huge difference between stopping to help a cop in a fight and the circumstances described here. A uniformed cop is readily identifiable and that fight makes it clear that a criminal is doing criminal things.
A local officer told me of being in a fight some years ago and a car full of large college boys stopped, vigorously addressed the cop's assailant, and left. They were never identified. When I was a cop, I stopped to assist a trooper who was out numbered by a car full of a guys with gang tats. Different circumstances.
A local officer told me of being in a fight some years ago and a car full of large college boys stopped, vigorously addressed the cop's assailant, and left. They were never identified. When I was a cop, I stopped to assist a trooper who was out numbered by a car full of a guys with gang tats. Different circumstances.
"Albuquerque, NM is one the the most violent cities in the nation."
I sometimes see one of those reality cop shows where someone has driven in traffic over 100 mph, weaving in and out dangerously, usually in a stolen vehicle, and fights the LEO's when finally stopped. If the location is ABQ, I'm surprised at how often the person is given probation after all that.
I sometimes see one of those reality cop shows where someone has driven in traffic over 100 mph, weaving in and out dangerously, usually in a stolen vehicle, and fights the LEO's when finally stopped. If the location is ABQ, I'm surprised at how often the person is given probation after all that.
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We only know what we are told since none of us were there.
We were told that he confronted some teens, then he got shot in the face.
Did the teens shoot him or was it someone else?
Did he see the teens with a firearm?
I don't know if the local medial has said that the teens actually shot the guy.
Other than that, only the teens know why they were there and what they were doing.
None of us were there, so we don't know what was really going on.
Some unsolicited advice: When in ABQ, don't confront anybody because you don't know who or what you're dealing with.
Mr. busybody is lucky to be alive and probably going to be wearing a "John Wayne" eye patch as part of his attire for the for-see-able future.
We were told that he confronted some teens, then he got shot in the face.
Did the teens shoot him or was it someone else?
Did he see the teens with a firearm?
I don't know if the local medial has said that the teens actually shot the guy.
Other than that, only the teens know why they were there and what they were doing.
None of us were there, so we don't know what was really going on.
Some unsolicited advice: When in ABQ, don't confront anybody because you don't know who or what you're dealing with.
Mr. busybody is lucky to be alive and probably going to be wearing a "John Wayne" eye patch as part of his attire for the for-see-able future.
LEO killed last night by 14yo. Yes, they are out there with no regard for life.
Newark cop killed, another cricially injured in shootout with 14-year-old: reports
Newark cop killed, another cricially injured in shootout with 14-year-old: reports
