Adding the 1911 to the M&P Line

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There is a huge population of professional security, police, and military personnel who were weened on the venerable 1911 and mastered it's use and care through Vietnam and all the other conflicts since 1900 as well as on patrol in other fields of security work and for personal protection.

To that end, there are those of us who have and still do consider the 1911 the perfect and preferred pistol of choice for any professional purpose. Smith & Wesson was wise enough to see it needed to acquire a piece of the 1911 market and it should now consider positioning it for professionals as well as for personal use.

Adding a 1911M&P™© series of pistols to the M&P™ lineup would be a perfect addition and an option for those of us not inclined to use synthetic guns, no matter how well they are made ad perform.

I for one have use a 1911 sine boyhood, through Vietnam, and as a Security Guard and am so familiar with it that I find it difficult to feel truly comfortable and confident with any other weapon. And that's not a bad thing. Weather for work, home protection, or in competition, I have 1911s that fit each need and are proven performers.

Also, there's a need for the 1911 frame to be chambered for a series of cartridges that are commonly used for Security, Police, and Military purposes. Most commonly the 1911 is chambered for the venerable .45 ACP and can occasionally be found in .38 Super and 9mm. That list is in need of expansion in the current professional world.

To meet this need 1911M&P™© needs to be available in all the cartridges required by professionals including: 9mm, .40 S&W, .38 Super, .357 SIG, as well as the .45 ACP.

Ideally, the 1911M&P™© line up would include pistols chambered in each of these calibers however, an even better solution would be a single lower frame with interchangeable slides, barrels, and magazines so changing calibers would be a minute's work.

For optimum performance I'd base the 1911M&P™© on a square butt, 8+1, Scandium frame with all the features found on the Model SW1911SC E-Series© except without the round butt and with a mag well. The Scandium™ frame mated with a SS slide minimizes carry weight and provides all of the features one would ever need in an emergency situation.

To make the 1911M&P™© a truly optimal operators weapon system, it should be offered with a single frame and optional slides much as 1911s have been fitted with .22LR conversions for practice and economy.

A TacPack© enclosed in a Halliburton-style aluminum case containing the Scandium lower and series of slides, barrels, and magazines in each of the aforementioned calibers will allow a customer to purchase a system for use with all the available calibers.

Or, they can economize by purchasing a 1911M&P™© in a single caliber and then adding 1911M&P™ Upper Kits© as needed.

There's a market for a weapon system with this type of caliber interchangeability that should be explored.

 
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Your idea sounds interesting. I’m a 1911 fan as well. My most prized handgun is an SG Wilson Combat 1911.

With that I can’t imagine S&W agreeing with you for a lot of reasons but primarily because it’s too expensive. The M&P line as a whole is meant to compete with Glock and to a certain extent Sig/H&K (although arguably Sig/H&K are at a different price point). S&W couldn’t make what you’re suggesting and keep the price reasonable. The E-Series is already over a grand.

As soon as you change out the polymer frame for metal/alloy, the price goes up. You then get rid of the striker for a hammer and add a grip safety, main spring housing, etc…and it gets more expensive. A 1911 almost by definition are not easy to build and compared to modern duty carry pistols, much more of a maintenance issue. Most 1911 parts aren’t ‘drop-in’, which then requires training up a smith (LEO dept, security, etc…). Back in the day that wasn’t a big deal cause many weapons parts required fitting…1911s weren’t any different. But now, the opposite is true.

IMHO, 1911s are an enthusiast’s gun and require the dedication/knowledge/skill to keep it running right. I don’t think agencies are willing to adopt a weapon that is not only more expensive per unit but costs more to maintain compared to the other options.

If they could do everything you suggest, keep the price around the same, and have it be as reliable as the current M&P….I’d be the second guy in line right behind you. :D

BTW: Welcome to the forum.
 
If it was budget friendly like the polymer M&P handguns then hell yes I'd buy it in a heart beat.
 
I would buy that gun package. I realize it would come at a high price but to get it all in one package would be worth it. Personally I like my m&p's but I do not care what S&W would name it. I have been kicking around the idea of buying a 9mm 1911 for a short while now. I believe getting a package like that would be too much to pass up.

Build it and the shooters will come.
 
I'm gonna wind a few people up here...

I see no place in the M&P line for a 1911.

Hammer fired... grip safety... manual safety... single action... 5 inch...

It's pretty contrary to modern handguns and what has been learned and implemented in terms of modern duty and defensive firearms.

I don't dislike the 1911. I don't fault anyone for using one as either a defensive or duty firearm. In the hands of someone capable, they are fantastic.

I simply don't see the need for yet another one on the market, particularly when S&W already have one.


Now, saying that... a fullsize single stack polymer pistol?

Hell. Yes.

A modern 1911 if you like (I can hear the cries of "sacrilege!").

It's my unicorn gun. I can make a 1911 disappear in lighter clothing than any double stack anything I have tried on. I want to be able to conceal a full-size easily (I also live in California so 11 shots is all we have anyway, but that isn't even really the point, just an aside.).

I just don't want the weight, or the manual safety/single action combo.

I seem to remember in my initial quest for such a pistol, there was talk that any that had been developed ended up with feeding issues. I can't remember why, or if my memory serves me right. There are technical guys here who I should imagine will be able to tell me one way or the other.

Now what the OP described (welcome Gunner47) sounds fantastic. I just don't see it as an M&P as it would bear no relationship to the M&P line.

Full size. Single stack. Poly.

Let that sink in.
 
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