Well, now that NY has a 7 round law, I was looking for opinions. I have a 9C that I really like. HD sights, APEX kit and RAM, and I just recently had a grip reduction and stippling job. I have 3 ten round magazines also. I carry appendix with no issues. Does it make sense to keep this as my carry gun or would it make sense to go to a single stack. I am only supposed to put 7 (+1) in my magazine so I could carry a slimmer gun with the same amount of ammo. Does it make sense to use my double stack as a 7 rounder with the ergos and setup I have or would it make more sense to look at a Walther PPS or the new XDS 9mm coming out. Not a fan of the external safety on the Shield so I wasn't thinking of one (even if you could find one). Thanks.
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Did you buy your double stack because it holds more rounds or did it fit your hand better? I am not sure exactly as to how your new "laws"are constructed so I am a poor one to advise. Personally, I am going to continue to carry my weapon of choice with as many rounds as it will hole. If I need it to protect my life, I think the penalty for carrying too many rounds will be the least of my problems.
robkarrob
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First the safety on the Shield can easily be removed/defeated. How long do you have before NY starts enforcing the 7 round rule. Also does the rule allow higher capacity mags filled to only 7 rounds? If so then that is so stupid, the bag guy will fill to full limit. You have to ban higher capacity or it's a useless law. Mag fillers are the same issue, as they can be removed.
Your choice of gun. I have a Shield 40 and love it. 6+1 or 7+1 capacity. The 9mm's are +1 on each mag capacity. As I said, don't let the safety on any gun be an issue, as they can be made to not engage. Removing the lever makes for an ugly open space in the frame. I would leave the lever in, but defeat the locking tab/bar. As long as you are the only person using the gun, you know the safety can't be engaged. There are all kinds of videos on YouTube that show how to's on most all guns.
Bob
Your choice of gun. I have a Shield 40 and love it. 6+1 or 7+1 capacity. The 9mm's are +1 on each mag capacity. As I said, don't let the safety on any gun be an issue, as they can be made to not engage. Removing the lever makes for an ugly open space in the frame. I would leave the lever in, but defeat the locking tab/bar. As long as you are the only person using the gun, you know the safety can't be engaged. There are all kinds of videos on YouTube that show how to's on most all guns.
Bob
I wanted as many rounds as I could when I bought it last year (which was 10 by NY law). My hands are on the smaller side but it fit well and especially now since I had the custom work done. That being said, a single stack will obviously be thinner which wouldn't be a bad thing. The way it looks now, the 10 round mags we had are grandfathered in but we can only carry 7 rounds in them. Misdemeaner if caught which I guess could cause you to lose your permit. I always carry an extra mag anyway so it would be 15 rounds total (1 in the chamber).
Tomkat
Member
If it fits you as well (or better) and you can shoot it as well (or better), then yes, get the single stack. If you shoot the "slightly" thicker double stack better, then carry it with the 7 required by law. Those single stacks are definitely easier to conceal.
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Rastoff
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It's your life you are protecting. Do what you feel is necessary.
alde
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If I were limited to 7+1 I would be looking at a larger caliber. Have you seen the new Springfield XDs. It's 7+1 of 45 ACP and all I have heard about it is good. An M&P 45c might be another good choice. I have one and love it.
treiz
Member
Keep the 9c and just wait for the SCOTUS to strike down the mag ban. The recent decision about Washington DC has given the NRA better footing to go after Mag bans IIUC. They're on it. Just wait.
Rastoff
US Veteran
The Heller decision hasn't helped eliminate the 10 round limitations, why would it help here?
I assume that you live in NY? If I read the new laws correctly, it says that you have a year to sell your non-compliant magazines out of state, and/or have existing magazines retrofit to 7 round capacity. So, that doesn't sound like existing magazines will be grandfathered in.
If you like the pistol you have, and have already spent money on it to make it yours, then why not keep it? I mean, it may be hard to sell unless someone else wants it set up as you have, plus whatever gun you buy will have the same limited capacity. The only advantage a new gun may give you is that it may be easier/cheaper to find/buy magazines that only hold 7 rounds to start with, than it will be to retrofit or buy limited capacity magazines for your 9C.
There may be lawsuits that suspend or overturn this law...so, if I were you, I'd keep what I have and wait to see. Now, if you just want something else, that's a different deal.
If you like the pistol you have, and have already spent money on it to make it yours, then why not keep it? I mean, it may be hard to sell unless someone else wants it set up as you have, plus whatever gun you buy will have the same limited capacity. The only advantage a new gun may give you is that it may be easier/cheaper to find/buy magazines that only hold 7 rounds to start with, than it will be to retrofit or buy limited capacity magazines for your 9C.
There may be lawsuits that suspend or overturn this law...so, if I were you, I'd keep what I have and wait to see. Now, if you just want something else, that's a different deal.
Dikinalaska
Member
Move. Done deal. But in all seriousness, I'd keep it. You're already comfortable with it and know how to shoot it. A new gun comes with a learning curve.
Since you have modified the gun to your taste, why would you want to sell it just because of the new legislation? The gun is just as good as it ever was. I would not make any rush decisions. Hang on to what you have - at least until some sort of deadline seems to be drawing near with no hope for a reversal or appeal in sight.
469Shooter
Member
If you like your M&P (I love my M&P 9c) keep it. Just fill it to whatever your stupid Governor requests! No need to buy anything else. If it fits your hand and you shoot it well don't give it up. Just my opinion; ymmv.
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Thanks for all of the advice. In NY, I can keep the three ten round mags I already had before the law was signed (Tuesday). I can't purchase any more 10 round mags since the law was signed. I don't have to do anything with the 10 round mags I have, only not supposed to put more than 7 bullets in a mag. This is why I didn't know if it made sense to keep a 7 round double stack I already have as compared to getting a 7 round single stack instead.
Good clarification on the mags...so, you don't have to retrofit them, just voluntarily comply, with penalties if you are found to have more than 7 rounds in the magazines.
Either way you go, you are effectively limited to 7 rounds in the magazine, so if I were you, I'd keep what I have (especially since you are unlikely to recoup what you have spent on it.) In any case, it's up to you...but since going to a different model won't give you any advantage (unless you just want a different gun) then why change?
I just didn't know if the advantage of carrying a slimmer gun (not that it is difficult carrying the 9C) outweighed keeping the gun that I have modified up to this point. If anything ever happens to my mags though over time, I will be screwed not being able to replace them. Should I be concerned about this or am I worrying for no reason?
Dikinalaska
Member
After some time has passed, and if it seems as though the 7-rd limit isn't going to be overturned, my guess would be there's going to be someone that starts making NY-compliant mags. Seems like too big of a niche not to try and fill.
Maddmax
US Veteran
Carefull,you'll start a stampede.
All seriousness aside. They should just go to open carry. If they can only have 7 rounds in a mag,why not drop another one and open carry like they did in wild wild west and strap on a six shooter.
But I do agree with you. Keep what they have and play the 7 round game for the time being. I never heard about how many mags they could carry with 7 rounds. The news media has everything so mixed up,it's hard to tell about anything for sure. ....automatic weapons & clips,geeeeez. Kind of hard to report on something they never touched or maybe saw only in the movies...
Comrad
Member
How does any one suppose the mag limit will be enforced. Random searches, systematic searches, honor system?
Maddmax
US Veteran
Mags (if taken care of) will last a very long time. If you are shooting compitition,you'll just have to keep from dropping them on the ground.
