After years of declining crime, a spike in city violence
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transit
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Wrong. Across the board.
I'm not certain where you are, so I'll make no assumptions; however, you feel free to tell me what I don't understand, when I live and have always lived, right in the middle of it. I absolutely have a duty to care.
The People of the State of New York have let nothing go. They have indicted that officer. You are attempting to paint the duplicitous picture that the bad shoot was "let go" at the same time you say that indicting the officer doesn't mean anything. It can't be both.
I've met (as in, eye contact; "nod", not that we are buddies) many of the "community leaders" that I (-suspect) you only see on TV. Met Al Sharpton? Jesse? Jeffries? etc.?
I object to your assertion that I have bought into anything.
Who claims that criminal acts by the police don't matter? I certainly haven't.
Every genuinely criminal act by the police in my career here (-into its third decade) has resulted in prosecution. Many other legitimate uses of police force have resulted in the "community's" willful ignorance of the law, political pandering, and occasional riot/uprising, but that matters not at all to the facts.
The latter dramatically outweigh the former. Ad absurdum.
cmort666
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Not wrong at all.
The kid's dead. No matter what (if anything) happens to the cop, he'll remain dead.
And as expected we see excuse making for the killer.
As I said, nobody has any sort of legal duty to care about his killing, the shooting of the guy in South Carolina, the beating of Carolina Obrycka or anything else that cops have done.
At the same time, the public at large has no duty to ignore those things, or the excuse making for them.
The average New Yorker has no legal ability to carry (or own, for that matter). He certainly has no legal ability to shoot somebody because he's "scared".
transit
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And if he does...
...he'll be indicted.
-Precisely as that officer has been.
Not to offend sir, but you're completely wrong.
If your issue is actually to discuss the violation of the Second Amendment in the City of New York however, I think we'd find ourselves on quite the same page. But the two are not the same.
The notion that the "community" at large has any legitimate cause to distrust the police in New York is logically indefensible.
I challenge anyone, anywhere, at any time, to bring a fact based argument to support that position.
I will counter; with fact alone.
Place your bets.
cmort666
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He hasn't even gone to trial yet, and unless I'm mistaken, is out on bail.
transit
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So?
Are you objecting to the Sixth Amendment of our Constitution, or the Eighth?
Or is it that he actually gets a trial?
cmort666
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I'm saying I don't consider justice in the case a foregone conclusion.
transit
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Should "justice" be a "foregone conclusion"?
If your opinion of the outcome is not reinforced, does that mean that the outcome is not "just"?
If so, then your opinion is correct.
-And more, you may be well in line with the opinion of the "community."
But that has nothing to do with justice. It doesn't matter how you, or the "community," or I feel.
It really doesn't.
We used to be a nation of laws.
Therein lies the rub.
One would think that we have matured past the Us vs Them attitude.
And it puzzles me when people who support the 2A and the American way of life, who don't want their rights infringed upon can pass judgement on others when they have never been in their shoes.
And it puzzles me when people who support the 2A and the American way of life, who don't want their rights infringed upon can pass judgement on others when they have never been in their shoes.
You wont ever find a group united. Within each group there will be subgroups. I mean, republican party and democratic party runs the gamut of views. The radicals on either side almost agree with eachother on some issues. Were humans, we all see things a different way and interpret things in different ways.
kbm6893
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Eric Garner's wife just turned down 5 million bucks from the city. That is why people fight with the police. It's a payday. Funny thing is she'll get less than 1/3 after paying lawyers and professional agitators.
cmort666
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I've never been in financial services. That doesn't stop me from knowing that what Bernie Madoff did was wrong.
If I can't criticize a cop for shooting an unarmed man for obeying his orders because I've never been a cop, then I can't criticize a thug for trying to disarm a cop and shoot him because I've never been a thug.
kbm6893
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So if a jury, who hears all of the forensic evidence, and all of the testimony, comes to a conclusion that you don't agree with, there is no justice?
You clearly have an issue with cops. And there is always a reason. Most people go through life without even thinking about them unless they pass one on the road and they're driving too fast
kbm6893
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What unarmed man was shot by a cop for obeying his orders?
cmort666
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The guy in South Carolina, Levar Jones.
Yes, we did. I lived in the James Monroe Houses, 805 Taylor Ave, Bronx NY during the heroin heyday of the mid 60's- early 70's. 8th floor of a 13 story building.
The elevators were constantly out of service, either one of the other(2 elevators, one odd, one even floors), and sometimes it was easier to just walk the stairwells.
Most of the time the light bulbs were either broken or removed. The hallways smelled of urine, and were littered with glassine envelopes and "works".
It was dangerous, but we were young, and it was just part of life in the projects. The only weapons we had were street smarts and young legs.
The vast majority of the cops were cool. We had a cop named Maury Wills(nickname), called that because he looked like him and was fast as his namesake. He was a good guy, always looking out for the young folks. Never found out his real name.
Then there was Butler, his real name, quiet guy who just went about his job, all business. We feared him because he didn't talk much.
We always knew when the cops were in the stairwells, we could hear their equipment rattling on their belts.
And now we come to Mr X
, a real dirt bag who was as shady as they come. Won't get into the details.Years after moving out of the projects, I went back one day to see who was still there. Most people had left but there were still many families left, some people still to this day
. A guy who I grew up with took over his parents apt. Anyways, I heard from some folks that Mr X was killed in another city housing project on the lower east side, a couple years after we left Monroe Houses. Can't say I was surprised by that, and neither was anyone else I spoke to.
There was much speculation about who killed him, street thugs or the crooks he ran with. They say his killer was never caught.
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