Ammo Sniffers at Military Bases and Federal Buildings False Alarm Today? Maybe, maybe not....

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As most CCW carriers know it is a crime to carry ammunition, explosives or guns inside any military base or federal building or courthouse of any kind. As retired military I have found it to be a major problem when traveling by RV. All military bases require a permit of some sort to bring any handgun onto a military base, including those that have camping facilities. The permitting process requires a background check, and l listing of every firearm specifically. That permit goes into a world wide data base that follows you forever. Supposedly, when you sell or dispose of any of those weapons, you as the seller and the buyer can file an affidavit which takes that weapon out of the military database. There is nothing that requires the military to delete those registered guns, once they are in the database. Many of us do not like the US military to keep records of our privately owned guns. In my case, we only take a couple guns when we travel and those will be inside those databases. We carry a couple of J frame Smith and Wessons.

But the presence of guns and ammo on military bases is a problem since 9/11 because of the terrorist threat. Some the military has developed other methods of searching for people who would bring guns and explosives. One of those is the "sniffer dog" technology that we see in Federal Buildings, air ports and larger federal entities in the larger cities. The technology is expensive and has had problems with accuracy since about 2014. Airbus and private industry has led the way in detecting ammunition, and guns in groups of people. We can expect metal detectors and sniffer technology in every Federal Building, Post Office, and Offices of places acting on behalf of the Federal Government ( sometimes called federal instrumentalities) at some time in the future.

There is no violation of privacy laws or search laws because no one is targeted, only dangerous chemicals, and because no one is forced to enter into such a private government facility.

The problem still exists however, is their level of accuracy. Example. I am retired military. As such I am able to get free or co-pay only medical prescriptions at military hospitals, if they have sufficient supplies of medications that I need. Once every couple months, I drive an hour to Tinker AFB in Oklahoma to p ick up such prescriptions. Today, was the day.

I learned that the base and portions of Intestate 40 which borders the base on the north had been shut down. The reason? A sniffer unit at one of the base entrances had detected explosives. Bombs? Ammo? Who knows, they never disclose for many valid reasons.

We later learned that the sniffer had failed, and sent out a false alarm. We do not know if there was ammo in a car, on a person, or some other substance that set it off, only that something did which shut down the base, or, as they say. "that is the official story--today".

It could have just been some guy with ammo in the car, or his CCW, if so, it will probably not be disclosed, he will be dealt with
privately. Or it could have been some actual bad guy, who when confronted. offered to assist law enforcement in identifying his other bad guys, we do not know and may never know.

The point being, folks need to be aware that sniffer units are now in wide use. Do not carry inside a place that might have them, certainly not government facilities.

And for investors. Now is the time to get in. With school shootings becoming the norm, you can expect large schools to buy them and put them into use just like metal detectors, except that they have better uses than metal detectors. They can be placed inside schools undetected, and anyone walking by can set off the sniffer and a camera, identifying a person likely armed with a gun or explosives. As they become more and more accurate, they will sell more and more. Now is the time to invest in such products.

And last, those of us who carry handguns for defense, just need to pay attention and not carry into restricted places that might have them. Walmart can make you leave, but federal and state restricted areas can make you leave in handcuffs.


And the sniffers have failed before, maybe, maybe not. https://www.koco.com/article/oklaho...ker-following-evacuations-bomb-scare/44776053

 
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Well, you shouldn't be carrying a firearm into the secure side of an airport, anyway, so sniffers would seem to be irrelevant there. It would take an absolutely amazing piece of sniffer machinery to detect firearms inside motor vehicles and that technology certainly does not exist. So this is a piece of fiction as far as I am concerned:

It could have just been some guy with ammo in the car, or his CCW, if so, it will probably not be disclosed, he will be dealt with
privately.

In many parallel threads I have repeated the fact that firearms are banned in Federal facilities. "Facilities" is a broad term that includes commercial, rented offices, Federal office buildings, obviously, all military bases/facilities of whatever description, and Courthouses, etc. So, absent permission, as described by the OP, your weapons are banned on military bases, and there are almost always signs to that effect.

I disagree with this and do not believe it is true:

But the presence of guns and ammo on military bases is a problem since 9/11 because of the terrorist threat.

I was an active Navy Reservist at the time, and the only change I recall after 9/11 was a 100% ID check as opposed to a car windshield, base sticker check. I have had many occasions to drive onto a military base since 2001 and there are no dogs, no sneaky sniffers, nothing. Maybe someday, but I won't worry about it.
 
As most CCW carriers know it is a crime to carry ammunition, explosives or guns inside any military base or federal building or courthouse of any kind. As retired military I have found it to be a major problem when traveling by RV. All military bases require a permit of some sort to bring any handgun onto a military base, including those that have camping facilities. The permitting process requires a background check, and l listing of every firearm specifically. That permit goes into a world wide data base that follows you forever. Supposedly, when you sell or dispose of any of those weapons, you as the seller and the buyer can file an affidavit which takes that weapon out of the military database. There is nothing that requires the military to delete those registered guns, once they are in the database. Many of us do not like the US military to keep records of our privately owned guns. In my case, we only take a couple guns when we travel and those will be inside those databases. We carry a couple of J frame Smith and Wessons.

But the presence of guns and ammo on military bases is a problem since 9/11 because of the terrorist threat. Some the military has developed other methods of searching for people who would bring guns and explosives. One of those is the "sniffer dog" technology that we see in Federal Buildings, air ports and larger federal entities in the larger cities. The technology is expensive and has had problems with accuracy since about 2014. Airbus and private industry has led the way in detecting ammunition, and guns in groups of people. We can expect metal detectors and sniffer technology in every Federal Building, Post Office, and Offices of places acting on behalf of the Federal Government ( sometimes called federal instrumentalities) at some time in the future.

There is no violation of privacy laws or search laws because no one is targeted, only dangerous chemicals, and because no one is forced to enter into such a private government facility.

The problem still exists however, is their level of accuracy. Example. I am retired military. As such I am able to get free or co-pay only medical prescriptions at military hospitals, if they have sufficient supplies of medications that I need. Once every couple months, I drive an hour to Tinker AFB in Oklahoma to p ick up such prescriptions. Today, was the day.

I learned that the base and portions of Intestate 40 which borders the base on the north had been shut down. The reason? A sniffer unit at one of the base entrances had detected explosives. Bombs? Ammo? Who knows, they never disclose for many valid reasons.

We later learned that the sniffer had failed, and sent out a false alarm. We do not know if there was ammo in a car, on a person, or some other substance that set it off, only that something did which shut down the base, or, as they say. "that is the official story--today".

It could have just been some guy with ammo in the car, or his CCW, if so, it will probably not be disclosed, he will be dealt with
privately. Or it could have been some actual bad guy, who when confronted. offered to assist law enforcement in identifying his other bad guys, we do not know and may never know.

The point being, folks need to be aware that sniffer units are now in wide use. Do not carry inside a place that might have them, certainly not government facilities.

And for investors. Now is the time to get in. With school shootings becoming the norm, you can expect large schools to buy them and put them into use just like metal detectors, except that they have better uses than metal detectors. They can be placed inside schools undetected, and anyone walking by can set off the sniffer and a camera, identifying a person likely armed with a gun or explosives. As they become more and more accurate, they will sell more and more. Now is the time to invest in such products.

And last, those of us who carry handguns for defense, just need to pay attention and not carry into restricted places that might have them. Walmart can make you leave, but federal and state restricted areas can make you leave in handcuffs.


And the sniffers have failed before, maybe, maybe not. https://www.koco.com/article/oklaho...ker-following-evacuations-bomb-scare/44776053

Lotta wrong in the above post . . .
 

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