adktim
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What ammunition do the US Air Marshals use?
Air Marshal ammo
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diamonback68
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Don't know for sure, but it probably is some type of frangible ammo.
dougb1946
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Apparently the notion of explosive decompression sucking someone out a porthole or through a bullet hole is overdone a bit on TV. The plane are engineered to fly with a few holes in them.
If I told ya, I'd hafta... well, you know the rest. ;-)
Gunslinger808
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Wasn't an Air Marshall, but when I flew armed it was with standard .40 180 grain HST.
BigBill
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That new close range frag ammo that's been posted as new ammo here.
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steveno
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I wouldn't say that airplanes are designed to fly with a few holes however the airplane is basically one air leak because of all of the joints and the cabin pressurization system just pumps in more air than can leak out
cant go wrong with a sig
I heard the first 2 bullets are coated with radio active material, so if (God forbid) they have to shoot and the flight crashes,, the authorities will be able to find the "evil doers'".
lonejacklarry
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Seriously? You're teasing, right?
Jeff423
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Are there still Air Marshall's?
A few holes in an airplane fuselage would mean nothing, and even if the airplane somehow completely lost cabin pressure, it would stay flying and no one would die.
Alpo
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Now there's a thought for mythbusters.
Put everyone in parachutes and oxygen gear (just in case), and take a pressurized airplane up to 30,000 feet or so, and then take a 12 gauge and blow a hole in the wall. Better yet, blow out a window.
See if anyone gets sucked out.
Put everyone in parachutes and oxygen gear (just in case), and take a pressurized airplane up to 30,000 feet or so, and then take a 12 gauge and blow a hole in the wall. Better yet, blow out a window.
See if anyone gets sucked out.
They carry Speer/CCI 125 grain Gold Dots in .357 Sig...
dcxplant
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Um, that would be a 'no'. Any radioactive anything which is strong enough for that would cause radiation sickness and death.
-edit- I didn't get that you were probably joking.
Transport aircraft are equipped with equipment that will enable them to be found, and 'evil doers' will be easy to track down; they are the ones with .40cal bullet holes in them
Bullets don't do much.
A US Airways pilot shot his aircraft by accident a few years ago, no fuss no muss.
These things are pressurized to over 8psi, and the engines pump vast amount of air into the cabin, so much so that there are huge valves that vent out the excess.
A <.4 inch hole has absolutely zero effect.
During the smoking days, loose rivets were usually detected by "smoking rivets" not because the rivets were smoking, but because leaky rivets left brown streaks of nicotine and tar!
Airplanes, even pressurized ones, are full of holes.
Doug M.
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They do carry the Speer Gold Dot 125 grain JHP in .357Sig. I am pretty sure that they are not carrying the 250, but of their traditional DA/SA models. I do not recall, but I think it's a 229. One of the guys I met at an EAG class a few years ago is a FAM, and he swapped a .40 barrel into his issue gun so he could shoot more cheaply since he had to use his own ammo.
I was flying first class last year and was the first to board. There was a young man already seated a few rows back and I figured he was a marshal.
Several years ago I went through the "LEO Flying Armed" class. No need for any special ammo, holes in the fuselage were not an issue, the pressurizing system would compensate for them and, as has been noted, planes are pretty leaky already.
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Now there's a thought for mythbusters.
Put everyone in parachutes and oxygen gear (just in case), and take a pressurized airplane up to 30,000 feet or so, and then take a 12 gauge and blow a hole in the wall. Better yet, blow out a window.
See if anyone gets sucked out.
I'm pretty sure "Mythbusters " did this one.
Calaveras Slim
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Several years ago, I talked to a friend of mine who was with the FBI and worked with Air Marshalls. He told me they carried P226's in 357 Sig. As do a number of Texas Rangers.
hotrod150
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The "smoking rivet" effect is caused by the rivet being loose in the hole and working away at the aluminum skin. Tar & nicotine may cause cancer in humans but they have nothing to do with smoking rivets on airplanes.
Exactly. I recall reading on a seemingly authoritative airline site a while back that a 747 can maintain cabin pressure with 3 entire windows missing. (Wouldn't want to be sitting next to one of those missing windows, though!)
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You might have some problems, as a civilian, with some frangible ammunition made of tungsten particles. Although it is definitely not "armor piercing," some states, like Illinois, defines it as such because tungsten is much harder than lead or copper.
DWalt
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A lot of the explosive decompression myth regarding shooting a hole in the fuselage of an airplane at altitude came from the old James Bond 007 movie "Goldfinger."
I have some experience in Air Marshal armament, but it's very dated - over 10 years ago. I don't know their current practices.
I have some experience in Air Marshal armament, but it's very dated - over 10 years ago. I don't know their current practices.
It's not the holes that are the problems with the aircraft falling out of the sky. It's the bullets hitting the hydraulics and electronics that control the aircraft that, when damaged, could cause the aircraft to fall out of the sky.
skypilot7103
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While flying on the C9-A Nightingale in the early seventies carried sub nose S&W 38 with three rounds bean bag plastic nose and three rounds hollow point. You figure out the first three out the pipe.
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