Airsoft accessories on a 22
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CrazyFingers
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I'm trying to understand what you typed. Are you saying that you had a cheap eBay $40 red dot sight on your military issue M4/M4A1 in Afghanistan?
Maddmax
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I'm into pass-me-downs off my three larger AR's as I upgrade them. 
Gopher Slayer
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Here's the funny thing. Yes, I am. I was extremely surprised myself. But it was highly reliable, comfortable, and ideal having a hollow riser since my BUIS was actually useable without having to take it off. I Iraq I had an m68 red dot very comfortable, but not very good over 200 meters, fine for Iraq cities, but not open ground in Afghanistan. I bought it for plinking with my personal rifle, and liked it, a lot. I decided to try to qualify with it on my m4, and it worked great. So I kept it on there. I never had any issues with it, a massive surprise for me. I qualified with it a few times without issue. Didn't have to zero it after the first time.
I'm still trying to figure out what a PTS red dot is.
By pts I mean airsoft stuff. Thing like AIM Sports Special Ops Edition Panorama Red / Green Dot Sight by: AIM where the body is metal, but it says only to use for airsoft. That's what I am asking about.
Kayback
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PTS is a registered trademark of a company. It is their budget line of equipment not meant for the front lines. That AIM sight is not PTS, it is just a budget sight.
Am thinking shens on your Iraq story. Also, Aimpoint useless after 200m? Learn to aim noob.
KBK
Am thinking shens on your Iraq story. Also, Aimpoint useless after 200m? Learn to aim noob.
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Locked-N-Loaded
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I love it when someone with real world experience on a military level - so something you simply cannot argue - posts up some proven real world data that blows the preconceived notions & theories about setup and equipment out of the water.
Yes, real world experience. My name is Robert Killion.
I was an infantry soldier, I started Infantry school in July of 2003, and am blind in my left eye from my last deployment to Afghanistan in 2008. I got out in January of 2009. The entire time, I was a grenadier, marksman,automatic rifleman, and RTO. an article on one of our fights in Iraq: Michael Fumento: The New Band of Brothers
The reason I say the 68 is poor for ranges over 200m, not ineffective, is because the article is too big, sure you can dim it, but then it gets too hard to see in the sunlight.
I was an infantry soldier, I started Infantry school in July of 2003, and am blind in my left eye from my last deployment to Afghanistan in 2008. I got out in January of 2009. The entire time, I was a grenadier, marksman,automatic rifleman, and RTO. an article on one of our fights in Iraq: Michael Fumento: The New Band of Brothers
The reason I say the 68 is poor for ranges over 200m, not ineffective, is because the article is too big, sure you can dim it, but then it gets too hard to see in the sunlight.
Locked-N-Loaded
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p'wned.. hard
Jack Wagon
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THANK YOU for your service to our country! It's great men like yourself that keep our nation strong.
CrazyFingers
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If verified, his story might be interesting, but I don't see how a sample size of one is blowing any "notions & theories" out of anything.
When the "Aim Sports Red/Green Dot Sight - Special Ops Edition" gets a CAGE code and is issued to troops in place of Trijicons and Aimpoints, then I'll take notice.
(I can also see how an M68's 4MOA dot would be less desirable at 200m+ than a smaller dot. I certainly prefer the 2MOA on my PRO.)
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Locked-N-Loaded
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The vast majority of people on this board, and firearms boards all over, are the every day guy. Punching paper, hitting steel targets, in best of conditions, having a laugh and going home at night. Here, you have a guy using equipment to defend himself, his guys, and to take life if needed. In the dirty, messy, tough and brutal terrain very few people have any conception of. If he can tell a story, a real world story, of using any equipment in that scenario - yeah, I will listen and give him the benefit of the doubt and take his 1 word over the word of 10 guys punching paper out on the farm.
So a verification stamp makes it legit. Tell that to the guys getting killed using inferior helmets and outdated flak jackets. Those have stamps and codes also. Government and agency approved - must be legit. But you make my point for me... here is a real world example and it steps outside the bounds of stamps, codes, approvals and the expectation of how things must be done or others say they should be done (i.e., "notions & theories"). And he proved it.
CrazyFingers
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His story illustrates that one optic, on one rifle, used by one man, worked to his satisfaction.
You simply cannot extrapolate from this sample size of one that a $40 eBay optic is equivalent to an Aimpoint or a Trijicon, both of which have undergone extensive qualification, testing, and real-world trials.
I'm not trying to argue with you or him about his honor, service, or anything else you mentioned. But I will disagree strenuously that his situation "blows the preconceived notions & theories about setup and equipment out of the water".
It just doesn't.
Also, I'm not trying to say that a $40 eBay optic isn't appropriate for a .22 range toy. If it works for you, good.
You simply cannot extrapolate from this sample size of one that a $40 eBay optic is equivalent to an Aimpoint or a Trijicon, both of which have undergone extensive qualification, testing, and real-world trials.
I'm not trying to argue with you or him about his honor, service, or anything else you mentioned. But I will disagree strenuously that his situation "blows the preconceived notions & theories about setup and equipment out of the water".
It just doesn't.
Also, I'm not trying to say that a $40 eBay optic isn't appropriate for a .22 range toy. If it works for you, good.
I'm not saying that it is better than a 68 flat out, it worked better for me. Maybe I got really lucky, maybe it was the best one they ever made. But either way, I will give the company another run with their optic. I loved it, I did, it worked great for ME. But it may not for you. The 68 may be a perfect optic for you, but it wasn't for me. I won't go into any details about its use in Afghanistan, but I didn't have any problems with it.
CrazyFingers
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And that's all I was trying to say.
Locked-N-Loaded
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Almost all of us reporting here are always reporting our one experience with our weapon and our setup. So that kind of goes without saying as of course, we have some overlap in setups, but many variances so our experience are about us. And, we accept all of those experiences reported by others and then buy, modify, mimc accordingly. He gave his experience - more real world than most in terms of what is at stake - and it certainly goes against the grain of much of what we see and have been lead to believe in terms of equipment for that situation. And, I liked that because I personally believe there is far to much weight placed on brands and names than is needed. he didn't have a $1200 Trijicon, but a $50 piece that served him well and that is just not conventional.
Anyway, I think your taking the weight of my quoted statement much farther than it needs to be. As, technically speaking, your right... an N of 1 hardly proves anything conclusive. What you were suppose to take from it is the fact his real world experience broke the conventional rules we have all been lead to believe about equipment that must be followed to be effective.
P.S. - I never posted that I believed you called into question his honor or service and such, I don't think that about you, I merely stated that who he is and what he has done and reported gives me a lot more reason to listen as compared to the 10 other average guys here who post up what they did at the range last week shooting tin cans.
I'm not trying to argue that either. I just have a firm belief that one setup, or optic or grip is not for everyone. What works for you may not be good for me. Just like the ergo foregrip, I can't stand it, but others love it. I'm sure you would hate my style of foregrip, a simple ventricle broomhandle style grip is where it's at for me.
Everyone differs in their preferences, especially when it comes to personal defence, and when it to fun too.
Everyone differs in their preferences, especially when it comes to personal defence, and when it to fun too.
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