''Allocation'' Model 617

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So there I was minding my own business when I politely asked the pleasant salesperson how it was that I could not seem to find a new 617 to buy. Her reply was that the 617 is considered an allocation gun. At a certain vague period of each year Smith gathers up orders from requesting dealers and whips up a run of them with a few extra to pass around for display. She said that her store would not take an order until at least after the 2015 SHOT show in Las Vegas. Again it seems that this has something to do with the ordering process at S&W. Seriously?
I am asking the forum if any of this is true.
I lucked upon a range that had one as a range gun and I was able to play with it for a bit. I really like it and would like to buy one. I do live in California but this model is on the dreaded roster and seems to be a current model on the S&W website.
So, my forum gurus what say you?
 
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I put myself on the wish list for a 617 at The Kentucky Gun Store. Several months later I received an email saying its in stock and if I want one act fast. I bought it
 
S&W has a long and strong tradition of limiting and/or stopping production of their most popular and best selling models. It's some kind of sales and marketing genius strategy common folks can't understand.
 
To the OP: The explanation given you at the LGS is not exactly correct. Typical counter employee who has heard a term, thinks they know, but do not. Or, one who is feeding you a line to explain away why they do not have the gun you want.

If a dealer wants a particular firearm, they go on the distributor's dealer-only computer access. This is not what the public sees if public access is allowed at all. Some dealers ONLY order if the computer shows the item in stock. Some dealers will place a backorder and wait even if none are shown as being in stock. With really hot items, they simply do not show up as available, even on the dealer-only access, as they never make it that far, going immediately into salespeople's private "allocated" files, from which the salespeople fill orders as described.

The dealer only computer system "hides" the available quantity of an "allocated" model, as available "allocated" models are "allocated" to the private files of some or all salespersons based upon procedures at that distributor, whether based upon performance, seniority, or some other factors.

"Allocated" is, therefore, a term invented by distributors. Essentially, any given model can go from "allocated" to not and back again, depending on supply and demand.

Thus, if a model is "allocated" it means that when a shipment comes in at the distributor, they are "allocated" among the salespeople, placed in the private computer files of salespeople as described, who then, depending on the policy of each distributor, either fills their backorders in order received, or who then fills backorders from only bigger accounts until supply gets better, then they fill orders from other dealers.

This is further complicated by the fact that most distributors have two levels of salespeople. The first have accounts of bigger dealers assigned to them, and they get the allocated models. Other sales people just answer cold calls or take orders from smaller dealers who do not have an assigned salesperson. Often, the second type of salesperson simply does not have access to the allocated models, or if they do, it is a much smaller quantity of the popular model.

S&W has been focusing on M&P pistol and rifle production, and revolver production has just not kept up with orders, and it has been that way for a couple of years.

Orders are indeed taken at SHOT Show, but they are taken all year long, so production is adjusted accordingly. In addition, production schedules can change based upon LE or other contracts inked during the year.

I hope that helps explain the process.

EDIT: There is no good reason your dealer cannot order a gun for you from any of the distributors with which they have accounts at any time of year. The sooner they order, the sooner the backorder gets filled.
 
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Shawn, thank you for taking the trouble to explain that process. I feel like I get a million dollars worth of education whenever I ask a question here. I will just go ahead and order one and see what happens. Thanks to all that responded.
 
617s turn up from time-to-time, I'd place an order and wait, you'll have one within 6 months I'd guess.

I had been looking for a 4" 617 for a couple of years, but never ordered one because my LGshops require payment of between 1/2 and 100% of the purchase price for special orders, and I didn't want to tie up my money for an indeterminate period, so decided to just keep looking. I did finally find one, not locally but in another town in my state. I imagine if I'd placed an order I'd not have waited so long, but the hunt was kinda fun in its own right!
 
My 1st Mod 41 was that way. At the time I was told it had been 2 years since they had made a run of 41's. All of a sudden they were in all the dealers showcases. Unfortunately I traded off my Mod 17 (my 1st S&W) for the Mod 41. Unfortunately I then traded the Mod 41 off for a High Standard Victor (which I still have and still shoot). I have subsequently had 3 Mod 41's but I never get rid of the HS Victor. Wish I still had that first Mod 17. It would have been a mid 50's model.
 
My 1st Mod 41 was that way. At the time I was told it had been 2 years since they had made a run of 41's. All of a sudden they were in all the dealers showcases. Unfortunately I traded off my Mod 17 (my 1st S&W) for the Mod 41. Unfortunately I then traded the Mod 41 off for a High Standard Victor (which I still have and still shoot). I have subsequently had 3 Mod 41's but I never get rid of the HS Victor. Wish I still had that first Mod 17. It would have been a mid 50's model.

Dick:

I suppose you remember Gil Hebard pretty well? Those were the days!

Happy New Year!

Shawn
 
Gil would let you go in his storeroom and pick out the model with the grips you liked best. I wish he had been closer, I would probably own more S&W today. I still use his gun box scope mount. Great invention, and still have his "Pistol Shooter's Treasury", which is a little 5"X7" paperback book, 128 pages of more succinct "How to shoot well" than you can find in hundreds of books. A lot of the articles were written by Gil, but contributing to it were the greats of Pistol shooting. Bill Joyner, Bill Blankenship, Paul Weston, Bill McMillan, Harry Reeves, Joe White, Dick Shockey, Jim Clark, and more. Considering this was written in 1973, it is still worthwhile reading by aspiring shooters today. My copy is dogeared, and highlighted, but it still has some of the best information you can get for improving your competition shooting. The one paragraph by Bill Blankenship where he discusses the "Front Sight" probably did more to improve my shooting than any other article.

Still pertinent information if you can find a copy today. It was originally priced at $3.50.
 
I had no idea these were in such great demand/short supply. I decided over Christmas to pick up a .22 revolver and managed this week to find ONE local store with ONE 617 (4") in stock; I guess I got lucky. Another large gun store told me they didn't expect to have any for a couple months. I can't wait to pick this one up, as well as some boxes of those tiny little bullets (Is .22LR still tough to get? Oh well, I guess I'm committed either way. This is my first .22, btw...)
 
Shawn, thank you for taking the trouble to explain that process. I feel like I get a million dollars worth of education whenever I ask a question here. I will just go ahead and order one and see what happens. Thanks to all that responded.

Where are you located? Have an unfired 10 shot 4" that I will sell FTF in Fl.
 
When I worked at Lew Horton's in the 90's an "allocated gun" was one model, usually quite popular and in demand, that was reserved for the top one or two sales staff to sweeten deals for their bigger accounts. Once in a while you could get the top dog to release it to you after begging/crying and buying/flying for a nice lunch....sometimes.
 

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