Is the ammo companies selling ammo to dealers at the same price as prior panic or has the ammo companies raised their prices therefore the dealers has to retail ammo at twice the normal retail ?
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Good question but I have no idea. Many may be buying from whoever they can get it from when it comes to the local dealers. If that is the case there may be a middle man and they may be paying more but I have no idea. The online dealers may very well be making more per box and selling less as they don't get the volume they did before.
Oracle
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Hello fellow Coastie! I believe the prices will be similar to the gasoline wars, two or more gas stations slashing prices to woo in customers from the other stations.
When I was a teenager a gasoline war had people buying enough empty new 55 gallon drums to fill up a pickup and head to the station.
When I was a teenager a gasoline war had people buying enough empty new 55 gallon drums to fill up a pickup and head to the station.
I was looking at a link to some 9mm that TargetSportsUSA had for sale and under their Question/Answer tab, found this response by TS to a query about why the price had gone up significantly since that ammo was in stock the last time.
"Hello J..., this is a brand new SKU and we do have to pay premium to get the product. Its almost like a auction style buying and who ever pays more gets it. We call the process, whoever has it is the king. Thank you for visiting TargetSportsUSA.com"
By the response, it appears the distributors, in this case TSUSA, has been having to bid against other distributors in order to win possession of certain ammo. If this is true, I would think criticism of these distributors would be unwarranted since they are making the decision to either stock some and pass on the increase from the manufacturer or simply not have it in stock.
If it is not in stock, it helps no one.
"Hello J..., this is a brand new SKU and we do have to pay premium to get the product. Its almost like a auction style buying and who ever pays more gets it. We call the process, whoever has it is the king. Thank you for visiting TargetSportsUSA.com"
By the response, it appears the distributors, in this case TSUSA, has been having to bid against other distributors in order to win possession of certain ammo. If this is true, I would think criticism of these distributors would be unwarranted since they are making the decision to either stock some and pass on the increase from the manufacturer or simply not have it in stock.
If it is not in stock, it helps no one.
MTC(SS)Ret
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I went to a LGS in Jacksonville FL today to look around. I have done business there pre-corona virus and their prices were always the lowest in the area. I was shocked at the prices they are now charging for guns and ammo. I looked at a Taurus G3C....MSRP is $306 and they are tagged $449. I mentioned the outrageous to the counter guy and his replay was "I don't set the price, I just sell them". I inquired about some 9MM 115gr FMJ on the shelf in plain white boxes, no manufacturer name on them and was told $50 for a box of 50!!
You can't tell me there isn't price gouging going on at some stores.
You can't tell me there isn't price gouging going on at some stores.
LoboGunLeather
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My old dad used to tell a story about driving into a town and looking for a place to fill up the gas tank. Two stations, right across the street from each other, one has a sign announcing $0.24 per gallon and the other has a sign for $0.39 per gallon. Pulled into the first station and was told they were out of gasoline. Drove across the street to the other station and complained about the price discrepancy. Station attendant smiled and said, "When we're out of gas we sell it for $0.19".
Moral of the story: when you need it and someone has it you must pay the price to get what you want.
We aren't talking about price gouging, we are talking about the realities of a competitive marketplace. When a commodity is in short supply the retailer would be foolish for selling at less than he can replace the inventory for, and that segment of the buying public willing to pay the higher price will get what they need while everyone else must do without.
It makes no difference what I paid for a box of ammo last month when I set my retail price for today. What matters is whether or not I can replenish my inventory for less than my selling price, and if not I am just too stupid to be in business next month.
Supply and demand. Like it or not, those are the rulers of the marketplace.
If a dealer sells 9mm for $10 now, one person can buy it all and flip it for $20+ online, then the dealer has none to sell to his other customers who actually need the ammo. Because of that, I don't blame them for setting a price that ensures they keep some on the shelf. Further, they probably have trouble replenishing right now, so they can't afford to sell it too fast.
I know of one dealer who can't get new stock through their normal channels, so they're buying it online at auction just so they can have some for those who desperately need it and are willing to pay that inflated price.
I know of one dealer who can't get new stock through their normal channels, so they're buying it online at auction just so they can have some for those who desperately need it and are willing to pay that inflated price.
IAhunter
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I've been able to find a little 9mm here and there for under $15 a box. It has been nice, because I haven't had to break into my stash.
ancient-one
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You are very fortunate to find 9mm for $15 a box. That is a smoking hot deal these days.
Last year I paid 4 cents per round for .22's. I see Midway wants 13 cents per round for the same stuff. God knows what they're charging for center fire rounds. Might be time to switch to an air gun.
I just pulled up Midways web site and the cheapest .22LR I saw was Eley Edge at 26 cents a round. Larry
Riverboys
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I found 2 boxes of federal .22 333 box in Hew Hampshire last week for 17.95/box
SweetMK
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It might be fun to look at the date codes,
We have one LGS, that, I am pretty sure, is selling his personal inventory of 5.56 FMJ 20 round boxes,,
Several years ago, this stuff was under $4 a box,,
I bought "some", at that price.
Well, the LGS is selling it as of a week ago, for $35.99 per box.
He had two cases of it sitting on the floor.
Another LGS wanted $11.95/20, limit two boxes per day.
I guess the "low price loss leader" is bringing in customers.
He also had SPP's for $9.50/100. And LRP's for $5/100.
I guess there would be little chance of knowing.
We have one LGS, that, I am pretty sure, is selling his personal inventory of 5.56 FMJ 20 round boxes,,
Several years ago, this stuff was under $4 a box,,
I bought "some", at that price.
Well, the LGS is selling it as of a week ago, for $35.99 per box.
He had two cases of it sitting on the floor.
Another LGS wanted $11.95/20, limit two boxes per day.
I guess the "low price loss leader" is bringing in customers.
He also had SPP's for $9.50/100. And LRP's for $5/100.
I guess there would be little chance of knowing.
kbm6893
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Anyone who is buying ammo now at these inflated prices is stupid, unless it's buying one box just to be able to load your new gun so you can protect yourself or family. If I didn't reload my own ammo, I wouldn't fire one shot of anything other than .22 since I have tens of thousands of rounds of that.
Yeah, the market sets the price and if somebody can get $35 for a $4 box of ammo, then good for them. It's the stupid people paying that price who allow it to be sold.
Yeah, the market sets the price and if somebody can get $35 for a $4 box of ammo, then good for them. It's the stupid people paying that price who allow it to be sold.
mike from st pete
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Ammo pricing versus value
If prices go up much more most folks will be willing to accept the ten round magazine limit for economic reasons, not crime control reasons.
If prices go up much more most folks will be willing to accept the ten round magazine limit for economic reasons, not crime control reasons.
Agree. But, think of all the first time gun owners, who just bought their guns in response to the impending election, social unrest, etc. Yes, they were foolish for waiting so long, but it doesnt change the fact that they did, and now have guns they've only shot 50 to 100 times total. I know multiple folks who JUST got their CCW permits and are carrying guns they are new to, and at $40/box of 9mm can't afford to train(that is, if they could even find it!)
This ammo shortage sucks and mfgs need to fix it, soon!
This ammo shortage sucks and mfgs need to fix it, soon!
Buds has 1080 rounds of 30 carbine for $386.00. That's the best price I've seen in many years.
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SpikeIDMT
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'I hear the train a comin', it's rolling 'round the bend....'
"...will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of guns and ammunition...."
Stroke of the pen, law of the land.
What panic?
"...will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of guns and ammunition...."
Stroke of the pen, law of the land.
What panic?
As long as guns and ammo are legal products, I'm not sure if the can ban internet sales on a national scale. Though I'm sure they will try...
Not sure if serious...
Midway is ripping people off on ammo process right now. If you're paying more then 20 bucks for 50 of 9mm, you're contributing to the problem. Step back and breathe.
I got a notification from Midway for Fed Syntech.
1000 rds for 569 in 4 250 round buckets. Those 250 round buckets are 99.00 each typically.
I passed - all gone now. Paying 600+ for 1000 round of 9mm is insane and that 30.00 a box of 50 range ammo. I can buy individual boxes of the same ammo for 18.00. And no, I won't tell you where. ***....
I got a notification from Midway for Fed Syntech.
1000 rds for 569 in 4 250 round buckets. Those 250 round buckets are 99.00 each typically.
I passed - all gone now.
Paying 600+ for 1000 round of 9mm is insane and that 30.00 a box of 50 range ammo. I can buy individual boxes of the same ammo for 18.00. And no, I won't tell you where. ***....
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I bought 1 box limit 9mm $25 to replace the two $12 boxes I shot at the range today . Not buying anymore going to ration the several hundred rounds I've hoarded.
More like GASP!
Which is what I did on Wednesday when a shop I visited had 115 gr FMJ 9mm range ammo in stock for a mere $50.00+Tax per box of 50.
$1/round for 9mm range ammo.
I think that's a new record. It has to be. SpikeIDMT
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I've got 1 bullet for each gun, I'm good
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So if ammo or primers is taken to a local auction house and 9mm goes for $.75 a round for FMJ and the primers go for over $100 a 1000 is this considered gouging? Is this adding to the problem? Asking for a friend.
SpikeIDMT
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I'm sure California shooters thought it could never happen to them too
That was done by the State of California, I'm not sure if the feds can do the same nationwide without running into second amendment issues.
It would not doubt end up in the Supreme Court..
Our Massachusetts AG had effectively banned Internet sale of ammo to MA license holders simply by vendor intimidation. Didn't even need a specific law... just a bunch of cease & desist letters threatening costly lawsuits, which no sane vendor would ever want.
Fortunately, one gutsy ammo vendor eventually called her bluff and that was followed by one or two others, but the vast majority still "obey" her ban.
It didn't matter so much as long as Walmart was a giant in the ammo sales business. Now it matters a lot.Could a nationwide ban on Internet ammo sales ever happen? Based on the GCA of '68, the (expired) Federal AWB and other Federal anti-2A laws we've seen, I say yes. It absolutely could happen.
SpikeIDMT
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Nothing in the 2nd amendment about ammunition, not a single word.
Its not gun control that will change overnight, it will be ammunition control
I wonder who the California AG was that pushed microstamping through....oh, her
kbm6893
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A year ago people were saying what a waste of time it was to reload 9MM since it was so cheap. I just came up from the basement, where I loaded 100 9MM rounds. Total cost maybe 13 bucks. I've got enough components to keep me busy for the next year but when this starts to die down I will be sticking up on primers and bullets. Powder is still easy to get near me.
