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Anyone try the federal ammo in the .308?
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ole-cowboy
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is this in reply to #18?
I had lots of problems...
I have some silver state stuff coming 5/15 and am also going to pick up a couple boxes of core-lokts tomorrow
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Well I'm hoping it was just a bad batch, CBC was the only stuff available locally for awhile and I have a pile of it.
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back to the range...
Continuing from my last experience, today i did 5 ten round magazines with the same PPU FMJ rounds, on 2 of them the first round failed to chamber. in 2 ten round magazines of the Brown Bear soft point everything went bang with no problem, but again they didn't group well. I refilled the magazines and looked at the points, every one is dinged or flattened a different way so its no wonder they don't fly straight. These come 20 to a box wrapped in brown paper but the points are definitely abused at some point in the packaging process. I also just loaded some Winchester super-x for next time and those soft points are nice and clean, but they come in a foam holder. i also ran 3 ten rounders of the Hornady Steel Match, again i had 3 out of 30 rounds failed to feed, on one the bolt scratched it but locked with no round. The other two hung about half way out of the magazine. Exciting part of this time at the range was the scope flying off after about 70 rounds... the quick latch doesn't seem to be holding very well, and several of the screws holding it's bracket to the tube were loose. I cleaned it up and loctited everything so we'll see how it does next time.
next time i'll have to take a note pad... have 5 different types of ammo... cbc, pmc, winchester, and two types of brown bear.
Continuing from my last experience, today i did 5 ten round magazines with the same PPU FMJ rounds, on 2 of them the first round failed to chamber. in 2 ten round magazines of the Brown Bear soft point everything went bang with no problem, but again they didn't group well. I refilled the magazines and looked at the points, every one is dinged or flattened a different way so its no wonder they don't fly straight. These come 20 to a box wrapped in brown paper but the points are definitely abused at some point in the packaging process. I also just loaded some Winchester super-x for next time and those soft points are nice and clean, but they come in a foam holder. i also ran 3 ten rounders of the Hornady Steel Match, again i had 3 out of 30 rounds failed to feed, on one the bolt scratched it but locked with no round. The other two hung about half way out of the magazine. Exciting part of this time at the range was the scope flying off after about 70 rounds... the quick latch doesn't seem to be holding very well, and several of the screws holding it's bracket to the tube were loose. I cleaned it up and loctited everything so we'll see how it does next time.
next time i'll have to take a note pad... have 5 different types of ammo... cbc, pmc, winchester, and two types of brown bear.
hi everyone, i'm new here, just need some advice. out of the box without cleaning or oiling my new rifle, i tried 2 different ammo. 1 was Norinco that a friend gave me and the CBC in the gold box is the 2nd. Norinco FTL after the 1st shot, the CBC FTE after every shot. After about a total of 20 rounds combined, my son and I decided to go home. We cleaned the rifle and oiled it. I am hoping this solved the problem, but would like advice for the next time we go back to the range. thank you
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Just my .02 and you will probably here this from other members also, a new "out of the box" rifle needs to be cleaned and lubed to get rid of the factory preservatives they use when shipping a new rifle. Hope this helps, I know it did for me!
Just my .02 and you will probably here this from other members also, a new "out of the box" rifle needs to be cleaned and lubed to get rid of the factory preservatives they use when shipping a new rifle. Hope this helps, I know it did for me!
MassDave
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I hope you gave it a really good cleaning... if it was fresh from a factory box that gunk they put in it gets into everything. took me about 2 hours to get rid of it from mine. Be sure to get it all out of the bolt and firing pin or you'll be sure to gum up again.
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bad ammo!
bad, bad ammo! and cheap scope also. I went to the range intending to shoot 20 rounds each of 5 different types today... but it was 1 too hot and humid, 2 the nc star scope came loose again so i couldn't hit anything, 3 i got pissed at one of the ammo types, so i quit after 60 rounds and will try the other 2 types after i get a different scope on this thing. I started with PMC Bronze 147gr fmj-bt, they performed perfectly. Then i went to CBC Ball M80, out of 20 rounds only 3 fed automatically i think. i started with 2 ten round mags, loaded up, boom, click... ftf, reset rounds by slapping on leg, loaded up, boom, click... repeat. after doing 5 rounds that way i took the last 5 out and put them in one of the mags i had just used for the PMC, same story, had to load each one after a ftf. there was also one fte along the way. most of the ftf clicked on an empty chamber, a couple jammed with the round part way out of the mag. On the second 10 round mag it was the same story, except in this one i had one misfire. it shows a relatively light pin impression and would not extract with the charging handle, i had to pop the rear takedown pin to get it to clear... i would guess the bolt hadn't quite seated and the hammer was stuck against the back of the carrier after making light contact with the firing pin keeping the charging handle from pulling the carrier back... if the round had actually fired that might have been a mess. I did continue until the second mag was empty, double checking to be sure the bolt was fully home each time, it actually properly fed 2 rounds in a row at one point! Just to make sure it wasn't something with the gun i then went through 2 ten round mags of Brown Bear SP, by then the scope was loose so i was just kind of aiming for the backstop but cycled through both mags without a problem.
bad, bad ammo! and cheap scope also. I went to the range intending to shoot 20 rounds each of 5 different types today... but it was 1 too hot and humid, 2 the nc star scope came loose again so i couldn't hit anything, 3 i got pissed at one of the ammo types, so i quit after 60 rounds and will try the other 2 types after i get a different scope on this thing. I started with PMC Bronze 147gr fmj-bt, they performed perfectly. Then i went to CBC Ball M80, out of 20 rounds only 3 fed automatically i think. i started with 2 ten round mags, loaded up, boom, click... ftf, reset rounds by slapping on leg, loaded up, boom, click... repeat. after doing 5 rounds that way i took the last 5 out and put them in one of the mags i had just used for the PMC, same story, had to load each one after a ftf. there was also one fte along the way. most of the ftf clicked on an empty chamber, a couple jammed with the round part way out of the mag. On the second 10 round mag it was the same story, except in this one i had one misfire. it shows a relatively light pin impression and would not extract with the charging handle, i had to pop the rear takedown pin to get it to clear... i would guess the bolt hadn't quite seated and the hammer was stuck against the back of the carrier after making light contact with the firing pin keeping the charging handle from pulling the carrier back... if the round had actually fired that might have been a mess. I did continue until the second mag was empty, double checking to be sure the bolt was fully home each time, it actually properly fed 2 rounds in a row at one point! Just to make sure it wasn't something with the gun i then went through 2 ten round mags of Brown Bear SP, by then the scope was loose so i was just kind of aiming for the backstop but cycled through both mags without a problem.
MassDave.... after cleaning and oiling the gun well....same result as yours....next step I got me some american made ammo and will try that tomorrow. hope this helps coz S&W already sent me a call tag for me to have them check the gun out. was also able to borrow a Magpul pmag just to eliminate the possibility that its the magazine.
akrawc2
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I have some short cycling early on, but cleaned, shot, cleaned, shot... Etc. This 10 needs to be shot. I have had good results after sending 200 ends through her.
MassDave
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i had 200 rounds through it before yesterday, and at least 4 cleanings not counting getting all the factory goop off.
No Problems with Various Ammo
I have had no problems whatsoever from any ammo I have tried so far. Here is a list of what I have shot:
Federal 308 WIN 180gr Soft Point
Fusion 308 WIN 150gr (F308FS1)
Winchester 308 WIN 147gr FMJ
GA Arms G308T 168gr BTHP (actually factory reloads from NATO cases - Lake City 2009 with reamed primer pockets)
I have had no problems whatsoever from any ammo I have tried so far. Here is a list of what I have shot:
Federal 308 WIN 180gr Soft Point
Fusion 308 WIN 150gr (F308FS1)
Winchester 308 WIN 147gr FMJ
GA Arms G308T 168gr BTHP (actually factory reloads from NATO cases - Lake City 2009 with reamed primer pockets)
vfin
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Precision shooters will all tell you to stick with one or maybe two types of ammo (at most) for predictability and long range ballistic consistency.
Meaning, don't go buying everything you can get your hands on just because the price is right.
Military guys I know swear by the following:
M118 "LR" 7.62x51mm NATO 175gr
&
Federal GoldMedal Match-King Sierra 7.62x51mm 175gr
and...
LAPUA (if ya got the money) 155gr .308
For self defense inside the home (so you won't send a projectile into your neighbor's house), Hornady ZOMBIE MAX 155gr .308
My 2 cents...cause my new M&P10 loves the stuff !
vfin
Meaning, don't go buying everything you can get your hands on just because the price is right.
Military guys I know swear by the following:
M118 "LR" 7.62x51mm NATO 175gr
&
Federal GoldMedal Match-King Sierra 7.62x51mm 175gr
and...
LAPUA (if ya got the money) 155gr .308
For self defense inside the home (so you won't send a projectile into your neighbor's house), Hornady ZOMBIE MAX 155gr .308
My 2 cents...cause my new M&P10 loves the stuff !
vfin
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CBC 7.62 sucks, dont buy
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Resurrecting an old thread here but the title makes information more searchable
I bought some Silver State Armory 150gr .308Win a few weeks back.
As near as I can tell, this IS NOT the stuff that is on SSA's website catalog and I tell you IT SUCKS!
One of every three might actually get picked up out of the magazine (short cycles) and might yield you 3moa.
I actually scuffed my elbow on the concrete shooting bench because I switched to some Hornady "American Whitetail" ammo and it recoiled considerably more, I couldn't get my chrony to take a reading on anything this morning but these SSA's must barely crawl out of the barrel considering the published velocity on the hornady (150gr) is 2820fps
I bought some Silver State Armory 150gr .308Win a few weeks back.
As near as I can tell, this IS NOT the stuff that is on SSA's website catalog and I tell you IT SUCKS!
One of every three might actually get picked up out of the magazine (short cycles) and might yield you 3moa.
I actually scuffed my elbow on the concrete shooting bench because I switched to some Hornady "American Whitetail" ammo and it recoiled considerably more, I couldn't get my chrony to take a reading on anything this morning but these SSA's must barely crawl out of the barrel considering the published velocity on the hornady (150gr) is 2820fps
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Took it to the range today to shoot for the first time.
Shot the COLT 168 grain
and the Bear 145 Grain steel cased stuff.
Shot 180 rounds. Perfect. Took me about 10 rounds to sight in a red dot, and fromt here on at 50 yards i was hitting inch groupings, and at 100 yeards after re zeroing (with no magnifier i was having trouble at 100! tough with red dot!) all the rounds would have been clean head shots.
Super happy with the rifle and my bushnell TRS25.
My wife loved it as well. Sure does kick though, im going to have to get a shock absorbing stock for it so she can shoot it. (She is tiny, 105)
Shot the COLT 168 grain
and the Bear 145 Grain steel cased stuff.
Shot 180 rounds. Perfect. Took me about 10 rounds to sight in a red dot, and fromt here on at 50 yards i was hitting inch groupings, and at 100 yeards after re zeroing (with no magnifier i was having trouble at 100! tough with red dot!) all the rounds would have been clean head shots.
Super happy with the rifle and my bushnell TRS25.
My wife loved it as well. Sure does kick though, im going to have to get a shock absorbing stock for it so she can shoot it. (She is tiny, 105)
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